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Adam

Adam Monroe is probably the white-haired guy, but there's no way to be sure. Since there's no way to tell, I don't know why we have a page about him. At most, there should be a note on group of twelve that Heroes: The Mobile Game lists one of the founders as Adam Monroe. Until we can match a face with a name, I don't see any point in having this article. Having both pictures is not a good idea because Adam is one or the other, not both. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:33, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

  • I added clarification to the two pictures. I agree with you, that he will most likely endup being the white-haired guy. I expect that the Hispanic guy will end up being the dad of Maya and Al, and just posted a theory about Mr. H. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/18/2007 12:37 (EST)
    • But one of the guys is not Adam Monroe, so there's no reason to have his picture on the page. It would be like putting a picture of everybody who could be the hooded killer in a gallery on that page. It's really more of a theory. The difference with the unnamed woman is that we have multiple sources that confirm her portrayer. We don't know anything about Adam Monroe except that he has a name and is most likely a member of the group of twelve. If we don't know which guy it is, we shouldn't have a picture of people he could be. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:42, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
  • I think we should have a page on him as it's probable that we'll have an article on him in the future and it's better to have the page as soon as possible in that case. I don't really have a strong opinion on whether we should show potential pictures or not, though I agree the information is theoretical. Plus for all we know he was a co-founder who died before the picture was taken place so it may in fact be niether of the men. (Admin 12:54, 18 October 2007 (EDT))
    • OK, I'll just remove the gallery for now, and if/when we get more confirmation to identity in the future, we can add stuff then as appropriate. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/18/2007 12:56 (EST)
      • I removed the gallery and cleaned the page up a bit (adding more about The Mobile Game, removing some theories and that image which was not a character portrait). I agree, the page should stand, it just should not be a theory page. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:02, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

Lead Text

  • I'm not a big fan of saying "Adam Monroe is one of the founders of the Company." That's not confirmed in any canon source and should be confined to Notes. If this is going to be a mainspace article, we should follow the rules.--Hardvice (talk) 15:54, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Good job, HDS. That's exactly what I was trying to do, but I was drawing a blank. When all else fails, state what you know.--Hardvice (talk) 16:11, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

In "The Line"

His name was on a file in "The Line".--The Empath 21:33, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

  • I also wouldn't doubt it if the note to Peter in Montreal was from Adam Monroe, too. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:11, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Mentioned by name by Mohinder to Bob.--Riddler 22:14, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
    • I suppose it would be too speculative to say that the note left for Peter was from Adam Monroe, wouldn't it? (Admin 00:02, 30 October 2007 (EDT))
      • Agreed. --Bob (talk) 00:04, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Yeah, I mean, it's looking like it is, but we can't put that yet. :( -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:06, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Lots of interest in this article

  • Looks like lots of people are looking for information on Adam. Lots of visitors to this page searching for Adam Monroe. Wish there was more information on him, but hopefully people will be pleasantly interested to discover he was one of the founders of The Company at least. (Admin 01:07, 30 October 2007 (EDT))
    • That's great. I'm including this image here because 1) it's unused, and 2) it mentions Adam's name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:13, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

theory

i think that Adam monroe is actually kensei, because of his powers he is immortal. he is the person who had been killing the members of the company.

  • good call!--Dirtypr 12:16, 6 November 2007 (EST)
  • please add this to the list of theories. Not in a discussion page. Thanks! If you have any questions on how to add theories you can look in the help section. Jason Garrick 21:02, 6 November 2007 (EST)

He's right.--ERROR 12:41, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Name picture as charbox image: Reason

The entire reason I dug up and posted the file-picture of Adam yesterday, was so that it could be used for his charbox's image instead of the 'image not available' filler, until a real picture of him becomes available. This isn't a new precedence. We do this on a lot of pages. All of the following people have a infobox picture that simply lists their name, if that is all we have of them. Felipe Acerra, Abu Aswan, Byron Bevington, Penkala Burton, Tracy Chobham, Harry Fletcher, Pam Green, Michelle Valcek. (You could also site all of Chandra's Journal personnel too, which use their journal page as their charbox image.) I am going to move the pic back. We should let it stay there until we get a real pic of Adam, which will probably be pretty soon anyway. Also, the 'need more pictures banner' is unnecessary too, because we have a lot of pages that only have one single image, and don't have that splash banner. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/31/2007 07:14 (EST)

  • It's not a "needs more pictures" banner. It's a note that we don't have a proper lead image, and adds the article to Category:Articles without images. That's pretty important, as it makes sure we don't forget to get a good lead image for an article. In this case, we don't have a picture of Adam. Once one becomes available, we'll want to replace the image we have. I'll re-add template:noimage manually to this so he's marked as needing an actual image of the character properly.--Hardvice (talk) 09:31, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Did they?

  • "In the episode commentary for The Line, the writers referred to the author of Peter's note as Adam Monroe." Did they? They talked about Adam Monroe, and the note, but I don't remember them referring to the note as from Adam Monroe. In fact. it seemed like they were being intentionally vague.--Hardvice (talk) 17:17, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
    • If my memory serves me correctly, they refer to the room in Montreal as belonging to Adam Monroe, and that we'll get to see a lot of him soon.--Bob (talk) 17:20, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
      • I changed the note a bit to fit what you said, Bob. I haven't watched the commentary yet, so I can't be positive it's accurate. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:57, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
        • They talk about seeing a lot more of Adam Monroe when they see Bob's file. I don't recall them mentioning him by name in the Peter scene; it's one of the things I had on my list to listen for. I'll rewatch that scene to be double sure.--Hardvice (talk) 20:51, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
        • They do in fact mention him, but not necessarily as the author of the note: "and her we go in to what used to be the propr room for our show, which has been turned into this great warehouse that Adam Monroe is going to be using." It's pretty clear, since they still keep talking about Adam, that it's the same guy.--Hardvice (talk) 20:53, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
          • Is the note okay, then? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:12, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
            • Yes, that's perfect. It leaves open the (slim) possibility that another Adam left a note in Adam Monroe's warehouse, which fits with what we know.--Hardvice (talk) 21:25, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

True Identity

So should we operate under the assumption that Adam will be his main name for the series until told otherwise? I've noticed Kensei's page has been changed to reflect that the name's more of a cover identity than a true one. --PeterDawson 00:43, 6 November 2007 (EST)

  • See Talk:Takezo Kensei. We're not sure what to do with the page since there's the legend of Kensei. So, the history that involves Adam as Kensei is here, but it should be kept on Kensei for now at least.--Bob (talk) 00:50, 6 November 2007 (EST)

GN 66 implies that Adam Monroe is not his birth name, it is just another alias he used like Takezo Kensei & Richard Sanders (as revealed in GN 66). Since he is credited as Adam Monroe that is what the page should be called, similar to how the DL Hawkins page is called that even though we know what the initials stand for now.--Snow Leapord 09:24, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Immortality

  • I think that Claire and Adam's power are two different powers. i think that claire can regenerate and Adam is just immortal. Jason Garrick 21:03, 6 November 2007 (EST)
    • --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 21:05, 6 November 2007 (EST)
    • Speculation. It could be he lived that long. It could be that he teleported with some timeline's Hiro at some point. In any case, it said he was one of the original 12, and I don't see him in the picture.--Riddler 21:06, 6 November 2007 (EST)
      • Actually, I think that's the cool part. Nobody said he was one of the twelve, only that he brought them together. He's like the Jesus to their apostles. Only, y'know, evil.--Hardvice (talk) 11:06, 7 November 2007 (EST)
    • True. As cool as I thought it was for Adam to pop out like that there is still so much unsend. And Heroe, what I meant to say was their powers are similar yet different. But this could mean Claire is immortal too? And it kind of stinks if Heroes is still ending for awhile on the 11th. Jason Garrick 21:09, 6 November 2007 (EST)
    • I actually think Adam Monroe is an empath like Peter, and that he had encountered other evolved humans without knowing it. When Bob showed Nathan the file on Adam, he mentioned that there was a tsunami aimed for Miami and that it became a blizzard, but could have easily been a tsunami. If Adam's powers were merely immortality or rapid heal, he wouldn't be able to control weather. Rather, I believe he has the empath ability. Possibly this is why Claude's reaction to Peter Petrelli was "Oh great, another empath." Icewind 16:27, 8 November 2007 (CST)
      • I honestly doubt that Adam is an empath, and that the writers would in introduce another empath anytime soon. Bob never specifically said, "Adam saved Miami." He introduced Adam as the one who suggested that the group of twelve team up to save the world. Then, he pulled out the newspaper article as example of how a small group of individuals can make the world a better place. I've re-watched the episode a few times, and that was my interpretation. I know other people will see it differently, but it just seems like most logical explanation. This means that someone in the group can somehow "change" a tsunami into small snowfall. As a side note, it actually did snow in Florida once, in 1977. It wasn't a huge blizzard, but enough to leave a thin sheet on a car window to write on. =)--Ice Vision 20:26, 8 November 2007 (EST)
  • In the newest episode (Four Months Ago), when Peter went through the wall and met Adam, he said you look pretty good for 400 years old. So therefore he must be immortal?
    • Not necessarily immortal (he can probably still be killed if you try hard enough), but certainly his regeneration has prevented him from aging.--Hardvice (talk) 15:40, 14 November 2007 (EST)
    • Evidently, according to the most recent episode, he isn't immortal, because he said that he can die if his head gets blown off.-- Manan 19:27, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Profile Image: Spoiler?

  • It appears the current profile image is a spoiler, as Adam does not appear in modern clothing until "Four Months Ago," which hasn't aired yet. Should this be corrected?--Trecord 14:37, 7 November 2007 (EST)

Kaito Nakamura's Killer

I guess he's a very good bet concerning the candidates for Kaitos murderer. To me it's clear that it couldn't have been Maury, his body doesn't fit with the appearance of the guy in the trenchcoat. This would also explain why Ando didn't see the killer. He just regenerated after he fell down the building together with Hiro's father and then just bailed. And since he's been locked up till (around) the day Kaito and Angela received their death threats it's clear why Nakamura said something like "Of all of them, I never expected it would be you...". I'd go "all in" on this ;) --BloodyFox

  • I completely agree. :)--Ice Vision 20:26, 8 November 2007 (EST)
    • Isn't that all a bit speculative, though? I mean, it could be revealed that, SURPRISE, the killer is actually waffles. While it is probably right, I'd say adding it to this article is jumping the gun. Lulu 02:36, 10 November 2007 (EST)
      • If it's not revealed that he is indeed the killer, then he's not the killer. We could just as easily put in Sylar's profile that he causes the viral outbreak because that's what's most likely to happen. Not to sound "snarky" or anything... :P I just think it's a good idea to wait as well. --Felixdakat 02:40, 10 November 2007 (EST)
  • I still want to hear more opinion on this matter until we allow it to be in the summary. Beeman said it was him who killed Kaito, and in the CBR interview, the writers said that it was not a stunt double like the original Sylar, but it was the actor, and we would know who the killer was in Out of Time. So the fingers point to Adam, but I just want to hear everyone's opinion.--Bob (talk) 02:46, 10 November 2007 (EST)
    • Mea culpa :) - When I started the discussion I just wanted to hear other's opinions. It wasn't meant to be a discussion about whether we should or should not add this "fact" (or what you'd like to call it) to the Adam Monroe article. Now that I know better, I guess the Fan Theorie section would've been more appropriate. But I guess in a week or two we'll know for certain anyways. --BloodyFox, 12:11, 10 Nov 2007 (CEST)
      • I told ya! :o --BloodyFox, 23:52, 20 Nov 2007 (CEST)

How did he?....

Ok I may seem dmb but how did both Peter AND Adam manage to get out of the cell? We know Peter phased, but surely even by touchng Peter Adam wouldn't hsve been able to get through the cell wall right? he was have had to take in Peter's ability? or am i completely way off the mark here?--   peterforpresident   talk  contribs  my rpg 

People seem to keep forgetting that empaths can't absorb abilities from each other. I'm just saying this because that was your guess, not to be mean or anything.--ERROR 12:48, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

  • And you fail to grasp that when this discussion took place that wasn't known. This discussion started in early season two, the info that empaths can't get abilities from each others popped up in early season three. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:00, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Adam's homes

We know that Adam has lived in both England and Japan, but are there any other places? He stayed in the Company's little prison in Hartsdale, NY, which is in the United States, for thirty long years. Is that considered a home? Also, Adam owns a Montreal warehouse, which seems to be a home to him. Would that be considered a home?--Ice Vision 09:30, 23 November 2007 (EST)

  • I thought about adding Hartsdale as one of his homes, but there's something that seems odd to me about adding the place he was imprisoned as a home. It would be kind of like adding Brody as one of Claire's significant others, even though he only tried to rape her. We don't even say "Notable Residents" for jails, we say "Notable Occupants". I would make him a visitor of Hartsdale, unless we learn that he once lived there of his own accord. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:16, 24 November 2007 (EST)
  • As fir the Montreal warehouse, we have no idea if this is a place he once lived or not. All we know is that he's visited it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:21, 24 November 2007 (EST)

Peter's Father

  • I have a theory that Adam Monroe is Peter's Father. It seems to fit pretty well too. For instance, if you go to Arthur Petrelli's page, as well as the Group of 12, the picture depicting Arthur Petrelli looks a lot like Adam. Also, his head is turned to the side, covering up part of his face. His face is the only one like that. Why would they try to hide his face if his identity wasn't important. --Manan, 19:34 November 28 (EST)
  • Furthermore, Adam was part of the company (possibly even one of the founders), yet his picture doesn't appear in the Group of 12, unless Arthur Petrelli's Picture is actually him.
    • I would hope Peter would recognize his own father. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 19:41, 28 November 2007 (EST)
      • Arthur AND Adam were both Company founders identified in the Mobile Game. Matt asked in a note on the Go12 image "Where is Adam Monroe?," while identifying the "man in horn-rimmed glasses" as Arthur (I love calling him that). Adam was imprisoned for about 30 years (Valentine's Day, 1977 until sometime in mid-to-late February 2007). It seems probable that his imprisonment precludes his ability to be in or behind the camera in that photo. It is possible, however, that Adam could be Peter/Nathan's father through "some other means" than being the same person as Arthur.--Tim Thomason 20:01, 28 November 2007 (EST)
        • Not only that, Adam hasn't aged in 400 years. He looks the same as he did in 1671. This means that he can't be the man with his head turned. They look nothing alike. Note Arthur's dark hair.--Ice Vision 20:05, 28 November 2007 (EST)
  • Like Heroe said Peter would have realised. Also before any of that, the audience hasn't seen him but characters have. The Petrelli family would have realised that he wasn't getting any older. This might as well be removed from any kind of theory because it is disproved. --SomeoneImportant 20:12, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Age

1584 - According to legend, Takezo Kensei is born. (Godsend) 1671 - Hiro Arrives in Japan (Past)

In 1671 Adam/Kensei is clearly late 20s - late 30s, If he was born in 1584 he would be 87 years old (surely he would've figured out something weird is happeneing as he looks so youthful) making him 422, thsi can't be right. However he is said to be "about 400" in the character page. He would have to have been born around 1600 for this to be right, which is clearly wrong. Shouldn't age be set at "Unknown" until it is revealed by a canon source? MrLore|talk|Contributions 10:32, 29 November 2007 (EST)

  • I checked the transcript of (Six Months Ago), and it doesn't mention his birth. It does refer to the 1584 date, in regards to Kensei's armor, but that could be a museum guesstimate. We should however, re-review that scene from that episode, and it it does clearly state his birth to be 1584, then we should cite that as the canon source. (it's really irrelevant as to if it makes sense or not). The Transcript only states:
HIRO: (subtitled) We found it! (He’s looking at an ancient Japanese warrior’s outfit for TAKEZO KENSEI (1584), complete with matching samurai sword. On the sword’s hilt is the SYMBOL.)
So it appears that it may only be a visual, not stated reference to 1584.--HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 11/29/2007 11:45 (EST)
Shh... don't look at this then, since you all have your opinions.--Tim Thomason 19:29, 8 December 2007 (EST)
Since it appears that the opinion in question is that it was a visual reference, and your link goes to a picture, I think they can safely follow it without the sky coming down or whatever it is you're afraid of.--Hardvice (talk) 01:22, 9 December 2007 (EST)
I'm not sure what you are saying here, with the whole "opinion in question" statement. I was simply providing evidence that the 1584 date doesn't come from the script, and the image seems to imply it's a birth year (what with the "-"). I'm not quite sure where Buddhist folktales come in.--Tim Thomason 20:26, 9 December 2007 (EST)
I think they really fumbled the age thing. Even ignoring the 1584 bit, he states he's over 400 years old, which puts his latest birthdate at 1606-7. But the way we have it listed, he realizes he doesn't age in 1692 when he's 42, putting his birthdate at 1650. This means he hasn't lived for over 400 years. Even if we assume he meant that he realized it prior to 1692 (eg - it was just awkwardly phrased), he was surprised to discover his healing ability in 1671. So either he was ok with not aging but flipped out about being able to heal (to the point of thinking he'd been cursed), or he wasn't yet 42 in 1671, which means his earliest birthdate would be 1630, still missing the 400 years by a good amount. Stevehim 23:55, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Rethinking this a little bit, it is possible that the following happened.
  • 1584: Adam Monroe is born.
  • 1626: At age 42, Adam realizes he cannot age.
  • 1671: At age 93, Adam meets Hiro Nakamura and discovers he cannot be injured.
  • 1672: At age 94, Adam marries Helene.
  • 1692: At age 114, Adam's inability to age is discovered by Helene.
Thoughts? --Ricard Desi (t,c) 20:02, 9 January 2009 (EST)
  • Probably not--when he met Hiro, he didn't indicate that he was in his 90s or that he was anything other than an ordinary man. I think Chuck Kim said it best here: "[Kensei] didn't realize what his powers were until after he met Hiro. So I would say that there is some historical inaccuracy there." -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:49, 9 January 2009 (EST)

Status

So do we need to add a new category for the undead? I mean, Adam is buried alive now...--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:16, 3 December 2007 (EST)

  • Nah, I don't think so. He's essentially just imprisoned. (Admin 22:17, 3 December 2007 (EST))
    • Wouldn't he be dead without oxygen and food?
      • His power would probably just repair the damage done by lack of food/water/oxygen --Joser Kyind 00:07, 4 December 2007 (EST)
        • I think we're supposed to get the impression that he's just buried alive forever. But at some level, that just doesn't make sense. His power is still a metabolic process, albeit a very fast, very efficient one. But a car that gets nine million miles per gallon isn't going anywhere with the gas tank empty. Sure, he could heal the effects of hunger/oxygen deprivation, but eventually, he just won't have enough cellular fuel to keep regenerating.--Hardvice (talk) 00:12, 4 December 2007 (EST)
          • True. What if someone magically breaks him out?--Ice Vision 00:13, 4 December 2007 (EST)
            • I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if we do see him again (honestly, what was Hiro thinking? He has read comic books, after all. Never leave the villain for dead without confirmation!) But I also wish they'd reign in the scope of some of these powers a bit. They really are getting out of hand.--Hardvice (talk) 00:18, 4 December 2007 (EST)
              • Sounds like a good Haitus GN arc to explore. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/4/2007 14:25 (EST)
            • Maybe Peter will go looking for Adam to heal Nathan, although he knows of Claire. He could ask Hiro and there will be another showdown between them. That was so ace when Hiro tele'd out the way of Peter's lightning --SomeoneImportant 14:32, 4 December 2007 (EST)
              • Peter is a Lizard--Hiroyatta 17:42, 4 December 2007 (EST)
              • Also, Peter knows he has rapid cell regeneration too. He could just use his own blood. I doubt Peter is stupid enough to dig up the man that suckered him into believing that he was going to save the world. --Thrashmeister 21:53, 4 December 2007 (EST)
                • Peter can't use his own blood on Nathan. He doesn't have rapid cellular regeneration, he can only mimic it. As soon as his blood is out of his veins it looses all it's healing power. Peter has to focus on Claire's ability to make use of it, but he doesn't have any controle over it, after the blood cells left his system. That's my guess. He could use Linderman's ability, I'm pretty sure they've met before at his parrent's home. BloodyFox 09:53, 5. December 2007 (CEST)
                  • Nice point, but Pete's ability probably hadn't manifested yet, making him unable to heal. --Avenger 04:38, 5 December 2007 (EST)
  • Another interesting point: Adam was kept alive for some odd reason (blood?) for 30 years by the Company. They may still be interested in using him in the future, and have multiple avenues to find him (torture Hiro/Ando, capture Molly...).--Tim Thomason 19:10, 5 December 2007 (EST)

I wonder how Adam used the bathroom in there?--ERROR 12:57, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

What else was Adam after in the Vault

  • Adam already had the vial of the Shanti virus in his hand, yet he seemed to be going after another artifact in the vault. It looked like it might be a key or something... --Jebriggs98 12:48, 7 December 2007 (EST)
    • I kind of thought that maybe he knew Peter or Hiro would be coming in after him and he didn't want them to know he had already found the vial, thus giving him the advantage of surprise.--croush 14:30, 7 December 2007 (EST)
      • Yeah, Adam had already dropped the vial when Hiro teleported them both away. However, I do think there may be more to the items in the vault.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:55, 8 December 2007 (EST)
        • Yeah. The commentators for Powerless strongly hinted that the items would be important in future episodes. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 15:45, 9 December 2007 (EST)
          • In that case, take a look at the theories for the vault. :)--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:47, 9 December 2007 (EST)

The Trial of the Black Bear info

Should this be here or not? It's obviously a legendary tale involving Kensei that may or may not happened. For all we know, Yaeko wrote it as a way to directly honor Hiro.--Tim Thomason 19:40, 8 December 2007 (EST)

  • The character does resemble Adam, but I'm not opposed to moving it to Takezo Kensei's history.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:57, 8 December 2007 (EST)
    • I think it's fine to stay here, too. The smaller creature is definitely Hiro. The man is, by default (and by definition of "Kensei") Adam. The history should be on both pages. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:53, 8 December 2007 (EST)

"Newest bride"

When Adam says he has his "newest bride out there", I read that as either a symbolic representation, or a hope for a future wife. It's certainly very possible that he got married since 1977, especially in recent days. However, until we have confirmation of this, I kinda think we should leave this "newest bride" off the infobox. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:23, 1 January 2008 (EST)

  • I saw some symbolism in there, but I think Adam was actually referring to a bride. Adam is waiting for that woman to get him out of that coffin. But I agree with you, that the "unnamed wife" should be left out. It's best we get a name (if she's real). --Ice Vision (talk) 20:32, 1 January 2008 (EST)
    • What do you mean symbolism? He's holding the 11th ring in the last scene when he mentions her. And when did we stop listing people just because they are unnamed?--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:36, 1 January 2008 (EST)
      • I personally think it's too crowded in that infobox... That's the only reason I think the unnamed wife should be left out. --Ice Vision (talk) 20:39, 1 January 2008 (EST)
      • I think I see where Ryan is going with this. By "my newest bride" he either means he's already married her or he means that he's in a relationship with her and she will imminently become his bride. The fact that he's holding the wedding band (rather than a female wedding ring) is good evidence that they're already married and also is the simpler of the two interpretations of "my newest bride". So I agree that it should be listed, however if several people also believe that it wasn't made clear enough that it's his current bride then we can always omit it since omitting information is always safer than including incorrect information. (Admin 20:53, 1 January 2008 (EST))
      • I don't think we should refrain from listing the newest bride because she's unnamed--I think we should refrain from listing the newest bride because she may not be real, or she may be the hope of a future bride. I'm not sure he's holding 11 rings, and even if he were, it's entirely possible that it's a ring he's saving for his 11th bride. In the meantime, I'll send an email to Chuck Kim and ask him more about it. I haven't ever received a response from him, but there's always hope, right? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:54, 1 January 2008 (EST)
        • Sounds like a good idea to me. :) We can always hope! (Admin 21:01, 1 January 2008 (EST))
          • It's a good idea to ask for confirmation. You can also ask Jason Badower because he was one of the artists to get a copy of the script; that's how I learned this novel was coming.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:22, 1 January 2008 (EST)
          • I sent an email to Chuck. I didn't feel comfortable asking questions about the GN right away, so my email was more along the lines of asking him if he'd be willing to do an interview or answer a few questions. I'm not sure what kind of response I'll get from him since I haven't heard from him in the past, and since he's involved in the writers strike. I'll keep everyone updated, of course, if I hear back. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:29, 1 January 2008 (EST)
            • Chuck will be picketing tomorrow, and he'll check on whether or not it's okay to answer some questions. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to make a list of questions for Chuck just in case. Post your question submissions here. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:36, 2 January 2008 (EST)
  • I assumed it was foreshadowing. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 22:02, 1 January 2008 (EST)
  • Well unless a girl just happens to stumble upon the coffin and for some reason starts digging, then it might be foreshadowing but if that's the case then wouldn't it be just as likely that a male finds him. In which case his statement doesn't make sense. However if he is married and that woman has an ability like Molly then chances are that's what it was meant by "Newest Bride". Because I highly doubt Adam would say "My newest Bride will find me" if he hasn't already married after his tenth, given the likelyhood that a male could indeed "find him" dman dustin
  • Once he got out of the cell, he was with Peter, except for the 4 month period between seasons, so he must have gotten married then. (Just thought I'd point that out) --Yamawhata? 16:46, 9 January 2008 (EST)

Woman vs. wife

Ok, can we use "unnamed woman" to fill the SO box? He is referring to someone else in this novel. Whether or not she's married to him we are not certain, but Adam is certain that she is out there and she will find him. That seems pretty specific to me that he has already met and is involved with this newest lady.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:04, 1 January 2008 (EST)

  • I think that's fine. I may be overreacting, but I want to make sure that we don't assume that there's definitely another wife out there. It's entirely possible, and I would love for that to be true, but I also just want to make sure that we're not assuming too much. "Unnamed woman" seems fine to me. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:29, 1 January 2008 (EST)
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