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Presidential News Conference! Aaah!

So there's a presidential news conference going on right now... it's been going on for roughly an hour now. I think it might run over into Heroes airtime. If it does, are they going to air it again? What's the protocol for this type of thing? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:59, 9 February 2009 (EST)

• Hopefully they'll just delay the start of the show and make up the time with fewer commercials or offset the rest of their programming for the night to compensate. Just make sure to adjust your DVRs! If they do cut into it then I guess there's always Hulu tomorrow. (Admin 21:01, 9 February 2009 (EST))
  • Ahah, yes! That seems to have done it. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:02, 9 February 2009 (EST)
    • Heh, he spoke at the high school for my school district today, less than a half mile away. I heard enough from/about him today. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/-
• For scheduled events like this, if it runs over then the show that it ran over...on, I guess is the wording...will always be delayed. Bloodbath 22:51, 9 February 2009 (EST)
  • Looks like Chuck drew the short straw for tonight then. :[ Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:54, 9 February 2009 (EST)
    • NBC does different things for circumstances like this. If Obama had talked more than 7 min. into the 9 O'clock hour, we would have probably watched a rerun of "My Name Is Earl" or something. Sometimes if it's just a min., they'll slide programming like they did this time and make up the extra min. later. This time they cut some stuff out of "Medium", probably promos and local breaks. I'm really happy Obama quit taking questions in time to see Heroes! This could've really effected his re-election. --Mistyjo 18:59, 10 February 2009 (EST)

Holy crap.

That was an amazing episode. I think Heroes is finally regaining some of its old spark. I'm really looking forward to the rest of the season and the future of the show. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:04, 9 February 2009 (EST)

• Agreed...it was a really good episode. Bloodbath 22:07, 9 February 2009 (EST)
  • I third this notion. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/-
    • I fifth it. (My wife fourthed it.) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:46, 9 February 2009 (EST)
      • Sixth it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:28, 10 February 2009 (EST)
        • I seventh it. I really liked the episode! I like Sylar's new "buddy". And poor Daphne!! The last scene with Nathan and Tracy are great. I'm so sorry for Tracy! --Alen76 11:25, 10 February 2009 (EST)
          • I really liked it too. Sorry if i broke the chain. -- User:Kay23 17:59, 10th February 2009 (BST)
            • I ninth wonderth it! - ZachsMind 19:46, 10 February 2009 (EST)
              • I denounce that! This episode was such a let-down... The acting was horrible, the plotlines boring and in some parts just stupid, and worst of all, Nathan/HRG are going down the toilet (acting-wise). I really think this was the worst Heroes episode I've seen. Most of it was sloppy and disorganized, especially the "running around in orange jump suits in broad daylight where everyone can see us but no one does" bit. I also hated the storyline with Daphne getting shot. It just was waaaaayyy too obvious. Of course, everyone thought she would be shot from the ground near the plane, but that's beside the point. I really hope these episodes get better, because I'm almost out of patience. Dean Harper 20:57, 11 February 2009 (EST)
          • I think it was a really great episodes, I thought the effects on the missles being sent into the plane were really bad, it was ridiculous! --IronyUTC CH 06:37, 14 February 2009 (EST)

Daphne

• So, does anyone think that she may still be alive? Bloodbath 22:06, 9 February 2009 (EST)
  • I think they left it intentionally ambiguous. I think she'll be back soon enough. She's evolving into a pretty important character, they'd be remiss if they kill her off just like that. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:08, 9 February 2009 (EST)
    • I completely believe Daphne is still alive, I just wonder how. I do like how before she was shot down, she saved Claire and was about to save everyone. I love her! --Skullman1392 00:28, 10 February 2009 (EST)
      • I'm going to be very mad if Daphne's dead, I don't think the writers are stupid enough to kill her. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:28, 10 February 2009 (EST)

Yeah, it's a pretty poor way for her to go out, but it could lead to Matt becoming darker, homicidal even. Shouldn't she be able to see and dodge the bullet? Because in a prior episode when Matt pauses for a second, she says she lives in fractions of seconds. Wouldn't this be like living in slow motion, allowing her to see and avoid the bullet or any harm?--Steelymcbeam 09:31, 10 February 2009 (EST)

• I was so sad when I saw she's being shot! I hope she's still alive somehow! She's such a great character!--Alen76 11:53, 10 February 2009 (EST)
  • While I do (did?) like her a whole lot more than most other characters introduced in Vol 2 and 3, I'm at all sure that she survived. If I would put my money anywhere, it would be on her being dead. Which does kinda suck - but then again, it would open up for Matt to become an interesting character.
• Daphe's not dead. From a writing perspective, she had to appear to die to get Matt Parkman out of his comfort zone. She's also fast become a fan favorite, and Brea Grant is hot. The producers won't allow the writers to kill her off. She's the reason some people are tuning in right now. Now granted last volume I thought this about Kristen Bell. So I could be completely wrong. - ZachsMind 20:35, 10 February 2009 (EST)
  • Elle's only been killed off because Kristen Bell's pretty hot in Hollywood right now, and she's been really busy. As far as I know, Brea Grant's free. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:36, 10 February 2009 (EST)
    • I'm still angry and annoyed that Elle is dead. What I'm hoping is that she will someday make a comeback cuz Elle was one of my favourite characters. And now with Daphne I feel like history is repeating itself. I'm hoping that in Building 26 all the Evolved Humans are being stored including those who've been captured in the mean time (Maya, Monica. Including some other nice surprises. That at the end of the episode as the ultimate reveal we see these cells with unconcious people. One with a bed and Daphne is on it hooked on life-support--getting better and in a next room we see a (thanks to claire's blood) restored Elle unconcious, showing a pregnant belly. If I were a writer that's how I'd write this episode out. DarthYotho 08:41, 11 February 2009 (EST)
      • Elle with a pregnant belly is funny, but didn't Sylar incinerate her last volume? Also, are we positive Daphne was shot with real bullets? From what I remember, the guns the bad guys were using had some sort of tranquilizers in them, and I know she got hit at least a few times, so maybe she was just heavily knocked out? --Jessica13 11:31, 11 February 2009 (EST)
        • I don't think this particular guns were loaded with tranquilizers. Nathan is seriously concerned about someone getting killed and when Matt gets into the shooter's head, the guy actually kills his partners in what Nathan later referred to as 'a bloodbath'--Barbazul 16:40, 11 February 2009 (EST)

Luke

• I kind of like the idea of Sylar having a little sidekick and Luke isn't a bad character. Bloodbath 22:09, 9 February 2009 (EST)
  • It's kind of unexpected, but I like it! I'm really anxious to see where they take this apprenticeship. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:12, 9 February 2009 (EST)
  • Dude i was literly typing a what do you think about luke post, but i was a few seconds to late because right when i click edit there was your's right there, anyway he's seems like a little brother towards Sylar. Datnymonster 22:16, 9 February 2009 (EST)
    • Something tells me Luke is more than just "like" a little brother towards Sylar. I've got a feeling he's somehow related to Samson. [/crazed theory] -Whizzles 23:08, 9 February 2009 (EST)
      • They hinted at it heavily, very heavily. Your theory isn't that crazy. Bloodbath 01:20, 10 February 2009 (EST)
• i bet Sylar is going to kill him like he does to everyone with powers --Cj31094 00:53, February 10, 2009
  • 83% of Heroes viewers disagree with you. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:01, 10 February 2009 (EST)
    • I think he's Sylar's brother, if he's not, it's the whole Sylar is Peter's brother all over again, only this time it's much easier to buy and it makes much more sense. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:28, 10 February 2009 (EST)
• Luke is definitely giving off a strong "I'm your family you just don't know it yet" vibe, I thought. I'm thinking brother or close cousin, maybe? --Jessica13 10:29, 10 February 2009 (EST)
• Luke seems to be a great character. I like everything about him.--Alen76 11:52, 10 February 2009 (EST)
• i didnt mean that sylar is going to kll him now , but you have to ad mit that sylar wast exactly a team player in the past (for example Elle)--Cj31094 12:48, 10 February 2009 (EST).
• I don't think Luke is family. It's too cliched. Samson looked like a loner/foreigner in a small town. The fact that his brother lived far away (a state apart isn't the same as a town over, but I'm no american) makes it unlikely that Luke was related. On the other hand, I do think they're closely related, either as friends or something. The way his mother reacted to the scene at Samson's wasn't that of someone who's son's relative just got plundered... Llddz 15:30, 10 February 2009 (EST)

New Face?

Could anyone make out every evolved human on the board in Building 26 straight after the main titles? I saw Peter, Matt, Sylar, Hiro and Mohinder but the remaining character i could not see. Doyle maybe? or someone new perhaps ...

• Maybe one day there will be an episode with "The other guys" the other people who were on that plane and survived the crash which then (to keep it interesting) make their escapes intertwines with the main characters storyline. But to save the show, tell their story only one or two episodes. Ending their story that eventually they are captured and are escorted to Building 26 where they'll stay until like in a Season Finale a massive break out happens. Examples .. that you see like a woman and a teenage boy helping each other through the woods and all of the sudden they see Peter and Tracy talking behind a tree-line just up ahead. Like the scene from Trust & Blood and they decide to pass since they see commando's approacing towards Peter and Tracy. Another one could be they walk through the woods and they see the speedster crossing their path in a blink of an eye. Stuff like that! It would be a great way to introduce new powers and short-stories. DarthYotho 08:45, 11 February 2009 (EST)
  • Webisode or graphic novel, perhaps?

Lead image

Any suggestions? I was thinking maybe one of those shots when Nathan is talking on the phone, and they show like a dual image of the past events that he's talking about. Anyone get what I'm referring to? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:13, 9 February 2009 (EST)

• Yeah, I like that. It was a unique storytelling device. Greg Beeman and Scott Ostrowsky even talked about it a bit on Beeman's blog. Plus it had a nice little reveal at the end. I say go with Nathan on the phone. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:48, 9 February 2009 (EST)
  • The reveal was very expected though. Bloodbath 00:11, 10 February 2009 (EST)
    • Hey I uped a lead image before reading this. I though the conflict with Claire over trusting her father who always lies to her, verse her blood uncle Peter who is always true..but if yall want to change it, that's fine. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 02/10/2009 08:46 (EST)
      • I think maybe when Nathan and Danko were overlooking the crash scene. -- Kay23 18:33, 10th February 2009 (BST)
        • I personally think the reveal of the person on the other side of the phone wasn't a good one cuz from the start I assumed it was Angela. But what I did like is that she finally left Nathan and decided to do her own thing again.DarthYotho 08:34, 11 February 2009 (EST)

Noah and Peter

I think that Noah is doing this to protect Claire. Nathan probably promised her saftey if he helped out. Bob promised something similar at the end of Generations. Also that was interesting: Noah let Peter escape and Nathan didn't mind. Sure he knew Peter would be back again, but it means that he doesn't want Peter dead and is willing to let him escape to acomplish that. Ultimatly I think if he has to chose between Peter and what he's doing I believe Nathan will choose Peter. He cares for him too much. He did that with the explosion at the end of season 1 and he'll probably do it again if it comes down to it. It reminds me of a show I saw once, don't remember the name, it was on one of those HBO like channels that you get if you get that AT and T UVerse thing: on the show there were two extremly different identical twin brothers, one (the stronger and more athletic and probably older one) said to his brother that he'd fight for him, protect him and kill for him if nessacary just because he was his brother. The kid's mother said the same thing later on. Later when the brother who said that was accidently killed, the other one visited his killer in jail and promised to kill him for what he did. It was an accident, but the guy who did it was a major bully that picked on him. Ultimatly the two became friends (the killer's only other friend killed himself and it turns out the only one who cared about him even a little was the brother of the person he killed, his own parents wouldn't see him), but after the kid got out after a year, he murdered him in cold blood in revenge for his death because despite their differences, he loved his brother a lot and didn't want his murderer to get away with it alive. No one ever knew what he did. He was only 12 when he killed the guy too. It shows that blood is thicker than water and when it comes right down to it, you tend to choose your own family over whatever else you want.--WarGrowlmon18 23:43, 9 February 2009 (EST)

• tl;dr: Blood > water --Action Figure 20:02, 10 February 2009 (EST)

Music

Anyone hear Sylar's theme while in the car with Luke? For those who haven't; I uploaded it here http://www.mediafire.com/?5lmx2hdedmk I dunno why, but I thought it was really awesome when I heard it. The rest of the music also ruled, but this one in particular was awesome. Smouvy 02:51, 10 February 2009 (EST)

• Cool! I also uploaded it here :) http://www.imeem.com/mdnet/music/ukLLgBsP/luke_and_sylars_theme/

the episode was great!--Themd 11:51, 10 February 2009 (EST)

• • I'm so glad we're finally getting some brand new music in the show. I love the tune as well... it was bad-ass. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:42, 10 February 2009 (EST)

I liked it a lot, too. Reminiscent of M83. I've long felt "Unrecorded" would be beautiful in Heroes; it was previously used in the Night Watch trailer. --Torley 22:56, 10 February 2009 (EST)

Transcript

Sorry to bother anyone but whats does Nathan say before "some of us more than others" when conversing with the Hunter(before Tracy phones him)

• He says, "We're all replaceable, some of us more than others." http://www.hulu.com/watch/56972/heroes-trust-and-blood?c=1505:1515 --Mistyjo 18:48, 10 February 2009 (EST)

Mistake in dialouge

When Daphne and Ando were discussing Hiro near the plane crash, Daphne said Hiro can't be dead because Ando kills him in the future, but this is a mistake. That future was averted. In that future the formula, which has now been destroyed, still exists and Ando was working for Pinehearst which has since been destroyed too and asking for the formula, so that will never happen that way.--WarGrowlmon18 12:20, 10 February 2009 (EST)

Well... the mistake (if there is such) isn't in the dialog as much as in the minds of Daphne & Ando - what the episode says isn't how it is, but rather how D & A think it is... --Pierre 12:59, 10 February 2009 (EST)

Just because one character knows, doesn't mean everyone does. What's kind of sad about all this, is that Usutu scratched out the Matt+Daphne+Molly+Baby future and said it wouldn't happen. I really hope this doesn't have to do with Molly (like I really hope they writers left her story alone, and she's still powered and safe in Madras/Chennai) but it looks like it was because Daphne possibly died (or that Nathan has made it impossible for them to marry).

• Well, that future isn't necessarily dead is it? Think about it,humans get rounded up so peter goes back in time, shoots Nathan, vicious cycle of synthetic abilities and look, we're back where we started. The heroes always seem to be hunted, future first series after explosion, now future and present third series, unavoidable. BTW, does Nathan know about Angela's powers, she may be a key in all this?--Fr0z3nB0nes 17:38, 10 February 2009 (EST)

For the sake of humor, I would not be surprised if some time in the relatively near future, there's gonna come a point where Ando & Hiro are sitting around at that location, they'll see younger Hiro show up, and the two of them will jokingly act out Hiro's death scene, with Ando pretend attacking Older Hiro with supercharger power (assuming it wouldn't do anything to present Hiro cuz he's powerless). Younger Hiro will freak out and run away, and Present Hiro & Ando will have a good laugh. Then Hiro finds out that Ando inadvertently reactivated Hiro's old time travel power but at a seriously subdued rate, effectively turning Hiro into a speedster. So the future we saw at the start of last volume is gone, but they still have to explain why younger Hiro thought Ando was going to kill him. That part of the future must remain unchanged. - ZachsMind 21:12, 10 February 2009 (EST)

That is nuttily self-referential, but your comment cracked me up. =D --Torley 22:57, 10 February 2009 (EST)

• Could they possibly act out this scene to get younger Hiro to go back in time and try destroy the formula?--Fr0z3nB0nes 17:51, 11 February 2009 (EST)

Rachel Mills?

I noticed that Taylor Cole who played Rachel Mills in The Recruit was credited as guest starring in the opening credits. And quite right - after Tracy's capture, Cole plays the female who put the bag over Tracy's head.

Another character, played by the same actress, or a unexpected twist to bring Rachel back in action? ---Pierre 12:24, 10 February 2009 (EST)

• Good spot. It's not another character. It looks like Rachel got hired to be part of Nathan's team in the last chapter of 'The Private'.--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:35, 10 February 2009 (EST)
• I hope her power of Teleportation comes into play, it would be interesting to see and could be a replacement for Hiro's ability. But what do i know. --Kay23 18:10, 10th February 2009 (BST)

• Its another 6 seconds of fame for the webisode characters in the show lol =D. --NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 16:19, 10 February 2009 (EST)
  • I think that's the longest any webisode character has ever appeared on an episode! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:03, 10 February 2009 (EST)
    • Putting together this and her fast shot at Dual, I still think Echo appeared more. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:06, 10 February 2009 (EST)
      • It's the longest any webisode character has appeared alive. :x Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:06, 10 February 2009 (EST)
        • Echo still stood behind Doyle with Danny Pine while they talked with Noah and Meredith. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:09, 10 February 2009 (EST)
          • Well in the first place, it was just a joke... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:11, 10 February 2009 (EST)

• Its for sure Rachel, learn all about her experience at the crash site here:[1]. --Skullman1392 23:04, 10 February 2009 (EST)

no more narration

• i think theres not going to be any more narration from mohinder anymore --Cj31094 13:06, 10 February 2009 (EST).
  • ...And why wouldn't there be? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:54, 10 February 2009 (EST)
    • Because he hasn't narrated for a LONG time. The openings of "previously on Heroes" are done by him, and occasionally other cast members. However since "Dual" there has been no narration at ALL.

Hana/Drucker?

Could it be that Hana is appearing again? It's not in Drucker's style to directly communicate with anyone... but Hana has done it before to Ted. I'm talking about Claire's SMS/IM conversation towards the end of the episode... nobody can type that fast. I thought of Evs Droppr at first with the whole "rebel", but now that I think about it Evs Droppr is gone, and not only that, they couldn't type that fast. Unless people really do type that quickly, or it was just a sped-up conversation for the sake of saving time? Llddz 16:05, 10 February 2009 (EST)

• Hana's dead. I kinda wish its Micah though, it been a long time --NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 16:10, 10 February 2009 (EST)
  • My first thought was that Libertad is Drucker's fraternity continuing his work. Of course, it could also be Micah and/or Molly. Both would be equally cool. I thought about it being Noah, though that doesn't make much sense either.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:19, 10 February 2009 (EST)
    • I stongly believe its Micah now you say it, the name tag did say (M) so could be an area intial or something, or his intial, but didn't Peter say be ready? could be Matt, but if it was a teamup of Molly and Micah that would be good!--Fr0z3nB0nes (talk) 16:31, 10 February 2009 (EST)
      • Was the M on one of the text messages? Can someone point me to an image of that?--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:43, 10 February 2009 (EST)
        • It was next to the word unknown in brackets, so it was: Sender: Unknown(M)--Fr0z3nB0nes 17:03, 10 February 2009 (EST)
          • Yeah, that M could be an initial, though I thought it just meant the message's sender was masked.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:08, 10 February 2009 (EST)
            • I thought the M represent the person's sex but I don't text message so I could be wrong.SPARTAN-077 17:13, 10 February 2009 (EST)
              • Same here, I don't text much so I'm not sure, probably a small heads up from the writers, I mean, why include unknown and then say M for masked straight afterwards? Then again, not much point of saying unknown then giving away a piece of your identity straight afterwards...--Fr0z3nB0nes 17:30, 10 February 2009 (EST)
                • Well, it could also just mean the message came from a Mobile device.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:49, 10 February 2009 (EST)
                  • Best I've heard, so I'm sticking with that theory.--Fr0z3nB0nes 19:08, 10 February 2009 (EST)
  • Doesn't Hana live on as some sort of binary being? Assuming she wasn't killed by Matt... I had thought they landed in his brain. Molly is too cute to be involved in this, and it doesn't look like Micah would be in on this (hasn't he been on the run since the last season?). I thought it was Drucker/Hana only because they were adults, and would likely understand the situation better than Micah. (and that's why I thought of Evs Droppr, because Evs Dropper hates everyone). But then again, everything is a possibility right now.Llddz 20:12, 10 February 2009 (EST)
    • Hana's binary being has been deleted quite some time ago. Evs was also killed before Villains started. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:24, 10 February 2009 (EST)
      • When was that? I vaguely remember that, but I don't know when (or in which GN) this occured. --Skullman1392 23:09, 10 February 2009 (EST)

I definitely have my money on Micah. Those texts were coming through very fast, like someone didn't even have to take the time to write it, they just thought it. He always wanted to be a hero, didn't he? He's older now, his mom and dad are gone... maybe he's turned into "Rebel". :) --Jessica13 09:51, 11 February 2009 (EST)

• Good theory, I'm willing to accept it as well. Plus, Nathan's already turned Micah in to the president... maybe he managed to evade them somehow and now he's trying to help others. Besides, "Rebel" sent those text messages awfully fast... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 09:58, 11 February 2009 (EST)
  • "Rebel" has to be a girl...no guy can text that fast. Bloodbath 14:30, 11 February 2009 (EST)
    • It's possible for guys to text that fast, I text fast cause my cell has this feature I can't remember the name, that tries to guess what you want to write by seeing the combo of letters of what you write, if I want a "c", I want press 2 three times, I press it one time and do the same thing with the other letters, put that with an autocomplete, you can text very fast. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:45, 11 February 2009 (EST)
    • They can if they have Technopathy! =D--NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 17:58, 11 February 2009 (EST)

New actors and characters

Julia Campbell (image)

Mary Campbell (image)

Dan Byrd (image)

Luke Campbell (image)

Shauntay Hinton (image)

Sara Lissner (image)

Jonny Siew (image)

Nathan's analyst (image)

We need a better image of Mary Campbell. Image:Mary.JPG isn't cutting it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:36, 10 February 2009 (EST)

Summary

Haven't seen the episode myself, but did the events recall occur in this order, with all of Sylar's scenes at the end? If so, why is Sylar included higher up the the appearances? -- Tristan0709 talk 00:11, 11 February 2009 (EST)

• No, Sylar's scenes were intertwined in the other story. He had about 3 or 4 separate scenes.--Mistyjo 07:37, 11 February 2009 (EST)
  • I want to know why whoever is writing the summaries for this episode and A Clear And Present Danger isn't putting them in the order they actuall happened. I was planning on adding pictures to the summaries, but with it all out of order, the pictures would be too cramped. --Skullman1392 22:40, 22 February 2009 (EST)

Chad Faust?

• The IMDB credits Chad Faust with an appearance in this episode as Scott. I went back and watched it twice, but could not see him anywhere. A friend tells me he's on Nathan's wall of mugshots, while my girlfriend swears he's the Marine guarding Tracy, with Rachel Mills. Can I get verification on either of these alleged sightings or indeed, if Chad Faust even appeared in this episode at all? Milbury 10:33, 11 February 2009 (EST)
  • That could not have been Scott: his neck was broken in Dual, wasn't it? I just re-watched that scene and it is definitely not Scott, though I'm not sure who it really is. --Jessica13 11:35, 11 February 2009 (EST)
    • Before Volume 4 began airing Chad Faust was credited with appearances in both this episode and A Clear and Present Danger. IMDB corrected themselves when Scott made no appearance in the latter, but his name is still added as a cast member of this episode. I half-wonder if he was one of the masked soldiers... Milbury 10:42, 11 February 2009 (EST)
      • IMDB can't always be trusted.--Alen76 12:50, 11 February 2009 (EST)
        • He is definitely not the marine guarding Tracy. It's more likely that he's on Nathan's wall, but I can't be sure. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:51, 11 February 2009 (EST)
        • Welcome back, Thrash! Glad to see there's no hard feelings. ;)

And I've tried to grab caps of Nathan's wall, but the screen pans too quickly after it starts moving. I'll say that there's a guy on Nathan's wall who looks like Scott, but there's really no way for me to say definitely. I'm hoping more skilled eyes may be able to determine that one. Milbury 17:56, 11 February 2009 (CST)

• We should very rarely trust IMDb on upcoming episodes. Not that they are always wrong, but they are wrong just as often as they are right. IMDb is user based, just as any wiki, and not a proper source for anything, not even spoilers. Just check the credits in the opening and the end of each episode; it is the most accurate source there is, and only on very rare occasions (like 2 or 3 during the entire run of Heroes) isn't coherent with the actual episode. --Pierre 11:56, 13 February 2009 (EST)
  • That's right. IMDb might give cause to go back and check whether or not somebody appeared...but the most reliable source is the episode itself. Chad Faust was not credited for this episode, and no other official or semi-official source (like Greg Beeman's blog, or Behind the Eclipse) mentioned him at all. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:09, 14 February 2009 (EST)
• Yeah, some glaring IMDB mistakes might be Sean Bean as Sylar (no, I'm not joking), and Monica in Dual. -- Tristan0709 talk 20:57, 13 February 2009 (EST)
  • I thought the reason she didn't appear was because her scenes didn't make it to the final cut? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 21:09, 13 February 2009 (EST)
    • No, that was in One of Us, One of Them. -- Tristan0709 talk 00:01, 14 February 2009 (EST)
      • Speaking of that, will Micah and Monica be back for this volume? In Dual, we saw Micah's file being handed out to the President by Nathan. I really hope we'll get to see them in this volume!--Alen76 08:12, 14 February 2009 (EST)

Laser sight on Peter after escape

When Peter is giving his "do what we have to do" speech to the other heroes by the picnic table at the end, there is a laser sight on his forehead. I just watched this episode on Hulu, and you can see the red dot moving on his forehead and hair starting at 36:22 for a few seconds. Were we supposed to see that? It looks like there may be a sniper off in the distance and that they are not safe in that location. --Throwaway1 01:46, 15 February 2009 (EST)

• I don't see it. Looks like light coming from between the leaves on the trees. Did see a brief, faint, reddish light, but I don't think it's a laser. Looks like someone's watch or glasses are reflecting on him. If it was a laser light, I think the director would have been more deliberate. However, Peter does say they only have a few minutes before the hunters find out where they are because of the cell signals. Video of Laser?--Mistyjo 14:36, 15 February 2009 (EST)
  • I saw it. But that wasn't red at all. It was just a reflection of light, like one you might see off a watch occasionally. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 21:59, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Plane Crash in Arkansas?

How did the plane get all the way to Arkansas? It took off in New York.... right? It was taken down after only a couple of minutes of flight. Seems like more than 100 miles from where it took off would be a huge stretch. AllUltima 17:21, 21 February 2009 (EST)

• Is there something that says it took off in New York? And I don't think a few minutes onscreen equals a few minutes in real time. Who knows how long Claire was hiding before she emerged, or how long the events really took to transpire. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:41, 21 February 2009 (EST)
  • I think they were all in New York in the A Clear and Present Danger... but I suppose they could have driven somewhere after taking the captives, maybe even somewhere far away like Washington, DC. Even if they did drive that far south, it's a long way from Arkansas though... but I guess Claire could have been biding her time. Maybe that was a really fast plane too, who knows. AllUltima 18:21, 21 February 2009 (EST)