Talk:Examples of pyrokinesis

This list of examples seems quite sparse to me. Almost like everything here could just go back on the regular page. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:19, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

• Agreed, I linked it to the pages simply because it existed (and was orphaned). If examples begin to get numerous, this page should exist, but until then it seems redundant to have it. Lulu 23:22, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
  • I'm glad you did link it, otherwise I might not have seen it. (By the way, thanks for taking care of those orphaned pages and uncategorized images.) Anyway, I'd much rather see it go back on pyrokinesis until we have more examples. Wishful thinking, I guess. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:24, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
    • The pyrokinesis page actually hold ALL of the pictures and examples this pages does. So, it already is done. I can't say we'd be losing any information at all by deleting the page. (And, not a problem. Something to do in spare time.) Lulu 23:28, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
      • I'll mark it for deletion. Our policy has generally been to only add examples pages after 10-12 examples exist. And the page should be more detailed with examples than the originating page. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:33, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

OK guys, let's think out of the box just a bit. With pyro being brought back into attention this week, and with 3 different people (as we know so far) having shown it, and it being a fairly common power-type, it's growth is pretty much assured. Instead of deleting it, and having to go back later and re-add it all over again, why not simply reconsider another approach that would allow us to keep it (and to finish expanding all of the powers pages so that they all have an examples page.

I would like to submit the notion of doing an overall change to the powers pages, so that they parallel how we do episodic images. No Episode pages hold episodic gallery pictures. However, each episodic page has under the 'See Also' header, * "For images from Genesis, see Images from Genesis."

This makes the main-page, clean, neat, consistent across all episodes, and allows for an images page that can grow and isn't limited to size or number of picture constraints.

I would like us to consider doing the same thing with each power page. Consider the power-page being the same as the episodic-page. Each power-page would have its gallery removed, but would have a See Also section entry entitled: * "For images of Pyrokinesis, see Images of Pyrokinesis." This would allow all power pages to have an examples page, and it would allow for future growth, maintain a standard format that matches the Episodic-images format, and it would leave more room on the powers-mainpage for text detail and info.

Any takers? p.s. I will take a could power-page examples of what I am talking about, and copy them over into my user-space, and mock them up in this fashion, so everyone can get a better look at what it would be like. Give me a few minutes, and I'll respond back to this discussion with the links. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/31/2007 09:37 (EST)

• OK...click on this link to a test-menu(simulates the powers portal), that will let you go to two powers pages that have this new suggested format that parallels how we do the episodic-images formatting. User:HiroDynoSlayer/PowersTest This format change would allow us to have example pages for each power, and not limit it based on numerical count, keep the main power-page small for future growth, and allow it to grow as new power examples are displayed. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/31/2007 09:53 (EST)
• I just don't think all of the powers pages need examples pages. The examples pages only exist because the powers pages were getting long. The image galleries on the powers page are pretty essential, since they illustrate the various effects of the power. Episodes don't have image galleries because they'd just be a random grouping of unrelated images and because they'd bloat up like memorable quotes do as people pick their favorite images. Powers are an entirely different type of article, since they detail one power across episodes and across characters. I'd rather add examples pages when needed, just like we do with, say, season history summaries, which is a much better analogy than episode pages. Plus, the image category makes a poor substitution for a gallery since it can't be captioned, sorted by episode, etc. It's an acceptable choice for Episode articles because there's no workable way to have an image gallery on the article pages, which are already very long, and since all of the images in the episode category come from the same episode.--Hardvice (talk) 10:30, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

• • Here is another case-in-point. I just went by the "enhanced strength' page which has its own "enhanced strength examples" subpage (Enhanced strength and Examples of enhanced strength). The primary page lists 11 arbitrary text examples, and 8 arbitrary gallery images. The examples page lists 23 all-inclusive text examples, and 29 all-inclusive gallery images. (all of the first mainpage, are included again in the second-subpage) That to me, is a big redundancy. To determine which examples and images are unique to the examples page, you have to jump back and forth between the two pages to try and figure out what is unique to the examples page only. Again, wouldn't it be more clear, both for this page, and all powers pages, if there was just one-page that listed all the text examples and gallery images? Whether or not we have examples pages for all powers or not is something I can see waiting on, if there isn't many examples for some of the powers....but I really can't see why we are keeping so much redundancy on the examples pages we do have, back to the original power page. I just think it would be easier to navigate and find information, if there were duplicate entries in both places. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/31/2007 16:13 (EST)
    • I'm really not following you. You do or don't want duplicate entries? "I just think it would be easier to navigate and find information, if there were duplicate entries in both places" makes it sound like you do, but that's what we have now: the power page lists a few examples, and the examples page lists everything--both those on the power page and all other examples. If you're suggesting putting all of the examples on the example page and removing them from the powers page (which is what I got from your sample pages), then I again say that the examples on the powers page are important to illustrate the various ways the power works -- one lead image isn't going to cut it, so I'd hate to see all the examples removed. At the same time, the examples pages are supposed to be exhaustive, so I'd hate to remove the entries which are on the power page because that makes the example page less useful as a stand-alone article. Now if you're suggesting doing away with the text examples and just keeping the images (or better yet, merging the two), then I'm all for it. But I think a powers article without some examples is a bad article, and an examples article that's not complete is also a bad article.--Hardvice (talk) 16:49, 31 October 2007 (EDT)