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Theory talk:Time travel

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Lead image

Anyone have any ideas for the lead pic for this article? Heroe(my Heroe page) 21:29, 12 February 2007 (EST) February 2007 (EST)

Power Infobox

Now that this page has power infobox, it's being listed as a power. I don't really mind, although technically it's not a power. Are there any objections? Nevermind, I guess it was taken out. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:25, 19 February 2007 (EST)

One thing that's been bugging me

So I read the page listed with the multiverse theory, and was, by far, the best detailed argument about how time-travel works.

The thing I can't understand is this: Ando was with Hiro when they first entered the Burnt Toast, and no one recognized Hiro. This goes with the viewer's glimpse of the photo without Hiro. When Hiro goes back in time, he does change history, but Ando shares the original timeline, that no one knew Hiro. When he saw the picture, he inquired about it, and realized that he had been in Midland in the past, contrary to the previous timeline where Hiro was not known. Since Ando recalls the previous timeline, does that mean that when Hiro traveled to the past, he somehow took Ando with him on the new timeline? We see he has the ability to time travel with Ando in Parasite, so is this something Hiro accidentally did? I've drawn up a bunch of timelines, tried it with different theories, but the only way it makes sense is that Hiro, when going back in time (Causing a new timeline), instantly shifted Ando from the old timeline to the new timeline (as Ando remembers the previous timeline, just like Hiro). --Bob 23:09, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

  • Ah, the old time travel paradox. Yeah, there's almost always a catch-22 whenever you do time travel. The writers (in some older CRB interviews) have been pretty coy about the whole subject. What you say makes sense, but I think it's just one of those things that we have to suspend belief and enjoy the ride. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:07, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
  • "A wizard did it." (Admin 02:33, 13 April 2007 (EDT))
  • Basically, Ando's memory didn't have to change to keep the timeline clean. There may be a "path of least resistance" effect to timeline corrections, which would explain why Peter could get away with saving Claire instead of Future Hiro being bounced back to his own time without delivering the Message. --Ted C 16:47, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Mistake?

"The self-consistency principle is often controversial due to the implications that the time traveler has no free will while traveling in the past, yet does have free will when in the present and future."

What it actually implies is that free will doesn't exist *at all*. Going by this model, every moment in what we'd call the present is in fact the past to a future observer. Similarly, every moment in the future is the past to an "even more" future observer. Since the past cannot be changed and since every moment is something's past, free will cannot exist. It's typically called the "predestination paradox".

That said, it doesn't really matter, since Heroes has already proven that it ascribes to the "multiverser" take. But I just thought it needed pointing out. (Ulicus 14:41, 27 April 2007 (EDT))

Dynamic Timeline Theory

I this interview Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite acknowledge it is a single universe like "Quantum Leap," where the changes are retroactive but the only ones who remember the differences are those involved. This suggests more of a dynamic timeline like on Frequency but is not described here. -Lөvөl 02:45, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

The Death of Hana Gitelman

Following Cause and Effect, something Hiro did after returning from the future caused Hana to die but what was it? I cannot find anywhere Hiro did anything that would affect Hana, there are several things he does that would affect Nathan and where the bomb goes off, but not Hana. -Lөvөl 02:45, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

  • Maybe Hana doesn't die?--Ice Vision 02:48, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Whenever a person moves backwards in time, it changes time. Read the multiverse theory linked on this article, it's very insightful.--Bob 03:02, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
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