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Exactly how does the external link to a quote by Matt relate to this episode? Isn't the quote from ep 2? -- Cuardin 12:46, 19 January 2007 (EST)
- Did you check out the video clip? If not, click on the picture to reveal it. It's a clip from In His Own Image where Matt finds the man hiding beneath the grate. (Admin 12:55, 19 January 2007 (EST))
One more thing. I have got my hands on an episode called "1x00 -- Genesis" which seems to be some form in intermediate version. It contains almost all the extra maerial mentioned in the article here, but does not include "The Engineer". Does someone know where it comes from? Is it a bootleg, or some form of preview version? -- Cuardin 14:16, 22 January 2007 (EST)
- Wow, never heard of it. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:39, 22 January 2007 (EST)
- If you give me som way to contact you that isn't a public archive, I can give you a link. -- Cuardin 14:43, 22 January 2007 (EST)
- I'm not private - heck my username is my real name! (Or is it?...) superfluousjunk at hotmail dot com - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:04, 22 January 2007 (EST)
- That isn't my problem. By swedish law I can share any file with almost any other designated person. But placing a link on a public archive where there are no real deletes is pushing the edge a bit. -- Cuardin 15:09, 22 January 2007 (EST)
- It's probably just the screener version of In His Own Image that was leaked--the one this page is about. That version does contain everything but the engineer scenes. Check the title at the opening scene and see if it's labeled "Genesis"or "In His Own Image".--Hardvice (talk) 15:48, 22 January 2007 (EST)
- I'm not private - heck my username is my real name! (Or is it?...) superfluousjunk at hotmail dot com - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:04, 22 January 2007 (EST)
Move?
On the DVD "In His Own Image" is only the first episode of three. Should this be moved to Tim Kring Cut and the three episodes listed there, or should there be an page for each? -Lөvөl 15:32, 30 August 2007 (EDT)
- I'll have to get back to you on that one--my DVD just arrived in the mail today. (Hooray! Blood back to a tepid 98.6°.) Sight unseen, though, my gut is saying to make it just one page talking about all three. I don't care the page is named (or at least I don't care at the moment). Okay, enough talky Ryan, more watchy. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:59, 30 August 2007 (EDT)
- I was only able to watch the Tim Kring Cut and the deleted scenes on the first DVD, then the DVD player stopped working. :( -Lөvөl 15:32, 30 August 2007 (EDT)
- Okay, having seen the cut (great watch, by the way!), I'm kind of (begrudgingly) thinking yes, it needs to be moved to Tim Kring Cut. I haven't found anywhere on the DVD where it's called In His Own Image, other than the chapter title. However, there are three chapters (not episodes), and I'm sure the whole thing was dubbed "In His Own Image" because either it's the name of the first section, or people saw the title card somewhere and assumed it was the name of the whole thing. Heck, it may have even been named that once, or introduced as such at Comic-Con 2006, I have no idea. But according to the DVD, the only thing that's actually named "In His Own Image" is the first part of the 73-minute episode. I can't find a "real" name for it, other than "Tim Kring Cut". I'm fine moving the page to that title, but I don't care too much one way or another. Does anybody else have an opinion? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:11, 30 August 2007 (EDT)
- If we just go with 'established hero lore' that has been out there bouncing around the web for the last year, the common name that ever HeroHead is familiar with and refers to the pilot as, is 'In His Own Image'. Not until the DVD came out, did the name 'Tim Kring Cut' really start getting used on any basis. I think that was more of a marketing name for the DVD's, because anytime a 'directors cut' slogan is slapped on a DVD, it builds more interest in it with the public; than it would otherwise. Personally, I think 'In His Own Image' because of two reasons, 1) its established and common widespread useage for the pilot since the beginning, and 2) its name has a consistent fit along with all other eposodic names, and Mohinder Himself quotes it during his lecture therein; similar to other episodic titles; (TKC isn't consistent with the flow and style of the naming lore of the other epis.) So my opinion is to keep the reference as 'In His Own Image', but to do a redirect of 'Tim Kring Cut' to IHOI, and to maybe add a subtitle on the IHOI header stating 'TKC'. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 08/31/2007 09:46 (EST)
- I don't know, the fact that the episode seems to specifically state that In His Own Image is just chapter 1 of 3 and not the name of the whole thing just makes it seems innacurate to me. And Tim Kring seems to be what the Heroes people have dubbed it. I think a redirect from IHOI to TKC would make more sense.--Leshia 09:51, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
- You both make very good points, HDS and Leshia. I was thinking about the issue this morning, and I keep thinking it just should not be called In His Own Image because that's just the name fans have given it. No matter how well-established the name is, it's not the name of the episode. A redirect would be sufficient, as well as a mention of it in the lead and possibly the notes....However, I'm also beginning to think it shouldn't be called "Tim Kring Cut" either. I'd go with the very basic "Unaired pilot". Plus, the DVD refers to it as such about as many times as it calls the episode "Tim Kring Cut". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:26, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
- I noticed when the pilot started, it did have chapter designations, but also had the standard episode 'In His Own Image' screen as well. If chapters 2 and chapters 3 had those as well, I would agree....but I don't think they did, if IHOI was just the name for chapter one, then the other two chapters should have also had their own unique name-label, just like Chapter one does, that matches all the other Epis. Ryan, When you say IHOI isn't the name, and it is just a fan name, I ask you why, then, does the pilot present IHOI in exactly the same manner as an epi title as all the other epis do? Seems consistent all the rest of the epis to me, which is 'where the fans got that notion'; and why the fans refer to the pilot as IHOI. 'unaired pilot' is a term used for the generic population of any series; 'TKC' is an advertising draw for the DVD, IHOI is the Heroes title given for the pilot, within the pilot, that matches how all other Heroes Epis list their episode name as. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 08/31/2007 12:01 (EST)
- Remember, this is an episode that never aired (other than at Comic-Con 06), so I'm sure things have evolved since those days, like naming conventions. Sure, there's a really cool-looking title card that says "Chapter One: In His Own Image", but there's two other chapters included, each with a clever name. Just because the caption for chapter one is done more slickly than the captions for chapters two and three does not necessarily mean that chapter one's title is the title of the entire episode. I'd be more convinced if a member of the cast or crew have ever referred to the unaired pilot as anything but "unaired pilot" (or a variation therof). I don't think I've ever read anything from an "official" source calling it "In His Own Image". If there is, I'd probably be fine with that as the title. But assigning a title to an episode that, frankly, might not even have a title just seems a bit too presumptous on our part. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:00, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
- Another thing to remember is that this article refers to not just the "Tim Kring cut", but also to the leaked, slightly different version of Genesis. That one was titled "In His Own Image" and was not subdivided into chapters. That's the reason that the 72-minute version has been referred to as "In His Own Image".--Hardvice (talk) 10:36, 2 September 2007 (EDT)
- Thanks--see I'm not very clear on where that name originally came from, and that makes much more sense. I don't think we should make two articles. Wouldn't "unaired pilot" still cover both, or is there something I'm not understanding? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:51, 2 September 2007 (EDT)
- "Unaired Pilot" would cover both, but now that we have the 72 minute version, I think it might make more sense to have a separate page for "In His Own Image" (the leaked version of Genesis) and for the 72 minute version. Otherwise, this page is going to be pretty confusing. As it's written, it's mostly about the leaked pilot, but it's about to be greatly expanded with info from the 72 minute cut. Reading through it, it's already fairly confusing as to what refers to which version.--Hardvice (talk) 12:24, 2 September 2007 (EDT)
- You're right, that makes more sense, but I don't think I've ever seen the leaked version, so I'm not sure what the differences are. I suppose I could just leave the page as it was the day before the DVD came out, and then do a much fuller page for the unaired pilot. (By the way, would "pilot" be capitalized or not? I would think it wouldn't since it's not the actual name of the episode, but just a description.) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:30, 2 September 2007 (EDT)
- That's probably a safe bet. The only things in the original article that talked about the 72 minute cut were the (brief) mention of the Engineer's subplot, and the link to the video on Matt's page on NBC.com. Those could be removed, and the two articles explicitly linked to one another. And I agree that "pilot" would be lowercase. Also, we should get an episode image for "In His Own Image" (the leaked version) that doesn't include the engineer -- maybe Isaac's severed hand?--Hardvice (talk) 12:56, 2 September 2007 (EDT)
- I'm working on grabbing caps from the unaired pilot. (I'm having trouble finding a player that plays .vob files from which I can still get screen captures.) The hand is a good pick, since it's the probably the most major non-Engineer storyline cut to make Genesis. That and the whole Paul E. Sylar deal, but I'd prefer the had because it's, because it's just cooler. By the way, it's good to have you around. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:16, 2 September 2007 (EDT)
- That's probably a safe bet. The only things in the original article that talked about the 72 minute cut were the (brief) mention of the Engineer's subplot, and the link to the video on Matt's page on NBC.com. Those could be removed, and the two articles explicitly linked to one another. And I agree that "pilot" would be lowercase. Also, we should get an episode image for "In His Own Image" (the leaked version) that doesn't include the engineer -- maybe Isaac's severed hand?--Hardvice (talk) 12:56, 2 September 2007 (EDT)
- You're right, that makes more sense, but I don't think I've ever seen the leaked version, so I'm not sure what the differences are. I suppose I could just leave the page as it was the day before the DVD came out, and then do a much fuller page for the unaired pilot. (By the way, would "pilot" be capitalized or not? I would think it wouldn't since it's not the actual name of the episode, but just a description.) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:30, 2 September 2007 (EDT)
- "Unaired Pilot" would cover both, but now that we have the 72 minute version, I think it might make more sense to have a separate page for "In His Own Image" (the leaked version of Genesis) and for the 72 minute version. Otherwise, this page is going to be pretty confusing. As it's written, it's mostly about the leaked pilot, but it's about to be greatly expanded with info from the 72 minute cut. Reading through it, it's already fairly confusing as to what refers to which version.--Hardvice (talk) 12:24, 2 September 2007 (EDT)
- Thanks--see I'm not very clear on where that name originally came from, and that makes much more sense. I don't think we should make two articles. Wouldn't "unaired pilot" still cover both, or is there something I'm not understanding? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:51, 2 September 2007 (EDT)
- Another thing to remember is that this article refers to not just the "Tim Kring cut", but also to the leaked, slightly different version of Genesis. That one was titled "In His Own Image" and was not subdivided into chapters. That's the reason that the 72-minute version has been referred to as "In His Own Image".--Hardvice (talk) 10:36, 2 September 2007 (EDT)
- Remember, this is an episode that never aired (other than at Comic-Con 06), so I'm sure things have evolved since those days, like naming conventions. Sure, there's a really cool-looking title card that says "Chapter One: In His Own Image", but there's two other chapters included, each with a clever name. Just because the caption for chapter one is done more slickly than the captions for chapters two and three does not necessarily mean that chapter one's title is the title of the entire episode. I'd be more convinced if a member of the cast or crew have ever referred to the unaired pilot as anything but "unaired pilot" (or a variation therof). I don't think I've ever read anything from an "official" source calling it "In His Own Image". If there is, I'd probably be fine with that as the title. But assigning a title to an episode that, frankly, might not even have a title just seems a bit too presumptous on our part. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:00, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
- I don't know, the fact that the episode seems to specifically state that In His Own Image is just chapter 1 of 3 and not the name of the whole thing just makes it seems innacurate to me. And Tim Kring seems to be what the Heroes people have dubbed it. I think a redirect from IHOI to TKC would make more sense.--Leshia 09:51, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
- If we just go with 'established hero lore' that has been out there bouncing around the web for the last year, the common name that ever HeroHead is familiar with and refers to the pilot as, is 'In His Own Image'. Not until the DVD came out, did the name 'Tim Kring Cut' really start getting used on any basis. I think that was more of a marketing name for the DVD's, because anytime a 'directors cut' slogan is slapped on a DVD, it builds more interest in it with the public; than it would otherwise. Personally, I think 'In His Own Image' because of two reasons, 1) its established and common widespread useage for the pilot since the beginning, and 2) its name has a consistent fit along with all other eposodic names, and Mohinder Himself quotes it during his lecture therein; similar to other episodic titles; (TKC isn't consistent with the flow and style of the naming lore of the other epis.) So my opinion is to keep the reference as 'In His Own Image', but to do a redirect of 'Tim Kring Cut' to IHOI, and to maybe add a subtitle on the IHOI header stating 'TKC'. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 08/31/2007 09:46 (EST)
- Okay, having seen the cut (great watch, by the way!), I'm kind of (begrudgingly) thinking yes, it needs to be moved to Tim Kring Cut. I haven't found anywhere on the DVD where it's called In His Own Image, other than the chapter title. However, there are three chapters (not episodes), and I'm sure the whole thing was dubbed "In His Own Image" because either it's the name of the first section, or people saw the title card somewhere and assumed it was the name of the whole thing. Heck, it may have even been named that once, or introduced as such at Comic-Con 2006, I have no idea. But according to the DVD, the only thing that's actually named "In His Own Image" is the first part of the 73-minute episode. I can't find a "real" name for it, other than "Tim Kring Cut". I'm fine moving the page to that title, but I don't care too much one way or another. Does anybody else have an opinion? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:11, 30 August 2007 (EDT)
- I'm confused. Now that we have the Tim Kring Cut, why do we still have this? --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 10:51, 4 September 2007 (EDT)
Difference between IHOI and the unaired pilot
I have never seen the leaked version of In His Own Image. I tried to take things out of this article that are specific to the unaired pilot. However, not having seen the shorter version, I don't know if I got everything. If somebody who has seen both versions could help out, that'd be great. Thanks! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:43, 3 September 2007 (EDT)
- Ryan, check out the Episode transcripts page. They already have the transcript for the shorter 54 minute pilot written up. And it looks like they will probably have the written transcript for the longer pilot up before too long. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/4/2007 10:15 (EST)
- Thanks for the tip. I must have skipped over it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:17, 4 September 2007 (EDT)
Whitespace
Because there is no "last" "next" or Heroes Interactive transcript for In His Own Image and the unaired pilot, the empty table in Template:Episode sidebar/full was causing extra whitespace at the top of the page. Adding "none" to the "last episode" line effectively fills in the table and eliminates the space. If anybody has an issue with it, they can remove it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:25, 4 September 2007 (EDT)