Spoiler talk:Powerless

Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow. THIS COULD INCLUDE UNCONFIRMED MATERIAL FROM UNAIRED EPISODES OR PREVIEWS. For more spoilers about Heroes and Heroes Reborn, see here.

Spoiler on talk page or main page?

• I haven't read the spoilers above since I avoid spoilers before the episodes air, so could someone who deals with spoilers more decide whether they belong on the Talk page here or whether they should be added to the main spoiler article? (Admin 16:53, 9 November 2007 (EST))
  • Just put this on your talk page. I think it should stay here. There's a LOT of specific detail about the episode versus the casting calls on the main page. --Bob (talk) 16:58, 9 November 2007 (EST)
    • I deleted this (and then the guy put it straight back!) because from what I read - which was very, very little, since, like Admin, I despise spoilers like this - it was incredibly spoilery. I know it's unconfirmed, and could just be a figment of someone's imagination. I'm not even sure if it should be right at the top of this page - yes, there is a warning, but what if someone happens to catch a glimpse of something as they scroll down? Perhaps we could put this discussion before the actual "article"?--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  03:53, 10 November 2007 (EST)
    • Lost, I only restored the page after verifying with user:Admin that the material is appropriate for this board. See User talk:Admin. Thanks. --TRECORD-- Talk/Contrib 04:14, 10 November 2007 (EST)
    • Agree with Trecord. It's a Spoiler page. What would you expect to see here? I like the hidden table effect as well. Protects those people that don't like to read spoilers.--Mish 08:57, 10 November 2007 (EST)
      • Be that as it may, I would not expect to see a whole summary, which explains every single thing that will happen in the episode. As this is going to be a season finale, more than likely, and goodness knows when we'll get more Heroes, I doubt many people would like to find out everything. However, I am more than happy with this compromise, with the hidden table - if you want to read it, you can read it, and if you don't, you don't have to. So everyone's happy. :)--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  09:52, 10 November 2007 (EST)
• To be honest I agree with Lost on this one. I for one did'nt really want to read ANYTHING on this episode seeing as it's going to be the season finale more then likely. Luckily, Lost told me not to read the page or even go to it. I'm happy to see they aren't here anymore. --   peterforpresident   talk  contribs  my rpg 
  • Yeah, i was stupid enough to go to the actual major spoiler page, thinking it was for Truth & Consequences, but in reality was for Powerless. Basically, it ruined the season finale for me. DO NOT READ THE SPOILER PAGE! It gives away one of the heroes that dies. Ice Man 23:22, 27 November 2007 (EST)
    • It does not actually say that this person dies. This person might just get saved, come close to death, or be brought back with Claire's or Adam's blood (but if they keep doing that, the show will get really bad)User:Aenicus/sig

Unpublished spoilers

Warning: MAJOR spoilers and complete plot summary below!

These spoilers are from unpublished sources, but sources which have proven to be accurate in the past: Look for our intro of Earth spinning (during title HEROES scene) to just abruptly stop. (due to continuation of Hiro’s time freeze from the previous ep.) Kensei is immortal, he cannot be killed. His name will no longer be known as Kensei but ADAM MONROE. The original 12 have betrayed him in the past and Kensei/Adam will be taking revenge upon the original 12. And yes, it’s still David Anders playing the Kensei/Adam part. But gone are the samurai outfits replaced by sharp looking suits. Peter will be helping Kensei/Adam at Primatech to get/destroy the virus. By this point, Peter has seen the future and the devastation of the virus. He has come to this particular time/place with Adam to destroy the virus. He knows it will kill pretty much everybody. What he doesnt know is Adam's true intention for the virus. When asked by Hiro why he’s helping Adam, Peter claims that Adam is his friend. And also mentions that Adam saved Nathan’s life. Hiro will try to convince Peter that he was betrayed by Adam 400 yrs ago and that he will betray Peter also. Hiro is also trying to avenge his father’s death since Adam’s the one who killed him, along with the other older generations. Peter will argue back letting Hiro know that Kaito’s the one who had Adam locked away for 30 yrs. He will mention that he was also in the same prison. Peter clearly states that he does not want to hurt Hiro. The showdown at Primatech will mainly be between Hiro and Peter since Adam will be frozen in time. They are also not alone in this room, there are Primatech employees who’ll be frozen in time during this. The swings Hiro throws will be blocked by Peter telekinetically. When Hiro has the sword to Peter’s throat, Peter will shock his sword with electricity knocking him out. Adam will shortly ‘reclaim’ his sword coming out of being frozen. Matt will ‘fly.’ Ofcourse with the help of Nathan to Primatech. Keep your ears perked up for a hilarious comment Matt makes once they land. Matt will inquire to Nathan about just how dangerous Peter is. (comparing him to the Kirby Plaza incident.) Nathan informs Matt that he himself hasn’t seen Peter since that night. Matt is trying to explain to Nathan that Angela gave him instructions on how to kill her own son Peter. IF NEED BE!!! Nathan won’t hear any of it and basically tells Matt that he will handle Peter if he’s a problem. Hiro will join in with Nathan and Matt. Peter is opening the vaults, straining himself, even bleeding from his nose in trying. He will instruct Adam to get the virus. Its at this point Hiro will attempt once again to stop Adam, Peter. But Peter’s belief within Adam is so strong he will stop Hiro. Matt will join in and tells Peter (mentally) to let go of Hiro and go after Adam instead. Peter seems to follow his direction but he will resist (mentally) to Matt. Nathan will release Angela from jail. Angela will be pretty much the only one left out of all her ‘friends’/original 12. The latest victim being Victoria Pratt. Matt will be the one who’ll find Victoria’s body in Maine along with the photo with the ‘death mark’ across her face. Angela explains to Nathan and Matt that it’s done and over with, Adam is wanting revenge and she feels defeated and its over. It’s at this point Nathan will explain to Angela that Peter is still alive. Hiro will take his defeat in shame back to Japan where Ando is. He will have failed his father and let the virus get out. We’ll also find out the fate of Adam. He’ll be buried alive next to Kaito’s grave in a metal coffin also reinforced with a concrete casket. Look for our favorite pest, the infamous cockroach, to make his little cameo. Look for Nathan to give an ‘unoffical’ speech addressing the world regarding the virus outbreak that happens in Odessa, TX. Nathan clearly states to the persistent reporter to find someone who’s in charge, not him. He will NOT want to give this speech and only does so when he is pushed by a reporter named Bruce Evans. All the reporters will be broadcasting his speech from the police station in Odessa, TX. This reluctant speech will be broadcasted throughout the world and be viewed by our heroes. In his speech, he’s mentioning how brave the people in this town have been by locking themselves in for the safety of the rest of the world. It’ll be quite inspirational and uplifting. Also, you’ll see why the ep. title is called POWERLESS through Nathan here. Viewing this, we’ll see Molly is with Suresh at Isacc’s Loft also with Maya and Elle. Also viewing this at her home is Claire, and she’ll be relieved to see Peter on screen with Nathan and will find out he is indeed still alive. Look for Nathan on becoming sick. How sick, how severe, or how minor, not giving out that info. (after his speech) Someone named HYPE will bring down the restaurant with Monica in it. He will set a fire to this building. Ultimately, Niki will sacrifice herself for Monica. Yes, it’s Niki dying in the fire. Elle will be the one to bring down Sylar this season and emerge as the ‘Hero.’

That's all I have for now. --TRECORD-- Talk/Contrib 16:07, 9 November 2007 (EST)

Claire image

Why does the caption mention her father. It's absolute speculation, no matter how abvious it is in the show and even that Isaac painted it, it might not be him in the urn, it might not be anybody. --SomeoneImportant 11:41, 13 November 2007 (EST)

The Post Show

The producer of The Post Show has seen the finale and let me know a few of the big spoilers. I can't say what they are (and my debate on Saturday will not give anything away), but I can say it's going to be quite a tearjerker I think. :( -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:30, 30 November 2007

"Two heroes will die"

It's gonna be a sad one tonight... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:07, 3 December 2007 (EST)

• Not if they're unloved character. Aenicus
  • At least one of them is pretty well-loved. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:48, 3 December 2007 (EST)
    • "Two Heroes will Fall." was the quote. Who knows, maybe Nathan accidentally drops Matt while flying, who was carrying Molly and in turn drops her.--Riddler 20:56, 3 December 2007 (EST)
      • I counted three deaths. Maya. Niki. Nathan. (with Maya being regenerated). But, can either Niki or Nathan being confirmed deaths? I really don't think there was enough followup info on either of them to be confirmed until next season. From a non-speculative perspective, I don't think we can say anyone is truly dead yet. Maybe GNs will help us out during the haitus. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/3/2007 22:05 (EST)
        • Well, I'm fairly certain Niki is gonna stay dead. That kind of explosion surely damaged the brain, and which we know by now, once that happens, there's no turning back. As for Nathan, Angela Petrelli seems like one who'll make sure he stays dead; he was about to reveal them and got shot on live TV, if he "magically" comes back, people will go insane.--Riddler 22:07, 3 December 2007 (EST)
        • I read about Niki dying, but I had a suspicion it was going to be Nathan. Ya think HRG shot him?--Bob (talk) 22:19, 3 December 2007 (EST)
          • I like the theory, and it would certainly be a good wrap-up to the rest of Noah's "deal" he made with the company. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:48, 3 December 2007 (EST)
        • This week's GN is scheduled to be about Adam (The Seven Brides of Takezo Kensei), I believe, unless things got switched around. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:47, 3 December 2007 (EST)