Talk:Gabriel Gray (exposed future)

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I am done making future character pages for tonight. If anyone wants to take a stab at this one, be my guest.

Future Gabriel was my favorite so far. x) Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:51, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

• Interesting to see what's become of him 4 years in the future... he's...making waffles... "Mrs. Bennet... you make one hell of a batch of waffles.... I'd like to see how that works...." <Mrs. Bennet screams> (Admin 23:00, 6 October 2008 (EDT))
  • That made me laugh out loud. Seriously. xD Reminds me of a Robot Chicken sketch where he steals Uncle Glen's power, thinking it's rapid cell regeneration... but it's actually explosive diarrhea. xD Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:05, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Now that was an excellent spoof. Plus, Quinto was such a good sport to parody himself in the sketch. Makes me admire that actor all the more. Also, I like this version of Sylar as much as I love the current one. I mean seeing him hug Peter made me laugh. Hard.Underfate
      • I Like sylar in this episode, it makes me sad that he is now dead. I like to refer to him as 'Papa Sylar' --Hoborobo 15:16, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
        • ... Who said he was dead? Peter didn't die after he exploded. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 15:51, 22 November 2008 (EST)
          • exactly. the rule of ted is named after Ted Sprague, who has the same power future Gabe splodes with, so he shouldn't die from that. Max G. (T) 20:28, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Telepathy

• When Peter tried to read Gabriel's mind he got feedback, could this mean that Gabriel gained telepathic abilities? -- Futurepeter 11:54, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Did he get feedback or did he just not get the information he wanted? I didn't notice the feedback if there was any. We also know that people who are mentally disciplined can interfere with the effects of telepathy already (i.e. Bennet thinking in Japanese to hinder Parkman). (Admin 11:57, 7 October 2008 (EDT))
    • Plus, Gabriel was able to block Peter's powers right? So surely he knew some way to hinder Peter's telepathy. Underfate
      • Ok, i might have been wrong about the feedback, it could be a block, but how does he do it? -- Futurepeter 12:40, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Block? What power did Sylar block? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:46, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
          • When Gabriel is talking with Peter about giving him his power, Gabriel refuses, Peter then says "Then i'll just take what i need from you" and then he tries to get into Gabriel's head, but the telepathy get's blocked out somehow. It's hard to capture this in a screen so i won't do that so you'll just have to see it for yourself. -- Futurepeter 13:42, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
            • No, I know the exact scene you're talking about, but I didn't get that he was blocking anything. Certainly not in the Haitian's ability kind of way, or even with any power he might have. I understood it as Peter simply not getting the information he wanted. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:29, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
              • Agreed. I don't think they used the normal audio effect for telepathy, because I didn't hear Nathan's voice when Peter read his mind later in the episode. Anyone else catch that? It's like they wanted us to hear the effect that he was using telepathy, but they didn't let us hear the thoughts of the people.--Bob (talk) 23:56, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
                • The effect appeared to be identical to Matt "ripping" information out of people's heads in Five Years Gone. You didn't hear what was being said then either. Photolysis 03:45, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
            • I got the impression that Gabriel was somehow blocking Peter too. Peter was not able to get the information he needed, so something must have been done to prevent him from obtaining it. Plus, Sylar says: "As if you could," stands up, and faces Peter down. Stevehim 06:51, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Lost Powers

Sylar seems to have regained all of his powers after recovering from the Shanti virus using Claire's blood. Proof of that is that inmediatelly after injecting himself he tested his telekinesys (which he had absorved pre-virus) So he might as well have recovered Isaac's and Ted's abilities instead of having to re-absorve them as suggested in the article --Barbazul 13:03, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

• That's true. We can't confirm that he reaquired them from new people he may very well have recovered his abilities by that point in time. I didn't see anything in the article that necessarily implied he had to acquire the abilities from a different person, just that he had recovered the abilities somehow. (Admin 13:07, 7 October 2008 (EDT))
  • I submitted a question to BTE about it, we'll hopefully get an answer next week. --PeterDawson 14:08, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
    • In the latest CBR they basically say that we're going to learn more about the effects of Sylar's original death around Episode 8, so I suspect they may defer any clear answer until then. (Admin 14:14, 7 October 2008 (EDT))
      • Is it possible he used his Empathic mimicry or evolved intuitive aptitude or whatever his newfound ability (shown with Elle in It's Coming) to learn powers without slicing and dicing to re-learn (or whatever) the powers? Maybe from Arthur Petrelli?--Uncanny474 16:49, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Intuitive aptitude - evolved?

• Does anyone else think that his IA has evolved to the point where he no longer needs to examine brains? He knew how Knox's power worked with no information to go on, and he knew when Peter had 'finished' acquiring IA. I know it's speculative to say that he can take powers without examining the brain, but shouldn't we note something about this apparent evolution of his power (I was going to create a notes section for it, but wanted to see what others thought first). Stevehim 13:28, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Sylar met Knox in One of Us, One of Them. It's possible that he's read the file between then and the exposed Future. Speculation? Definitely. How he knew that Peter had finished is perhaps a valid point. --Matchu 13:30, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I wouldn't, because it seems that Sylar can figure out things about an ability when they're being used without killing the person. When people talk or demonstrate the ability, you can hear the ticking sound effect that is attributed to his ability when Dale's explaining her ability, or that he figured out that Michelle was casting an illusion. He needed to examine the brain to incorporate the ability into his body, not to figure out how the ability works.--Bob (talk) 14:33, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
    • It's just a feeling I get from watching those scenes, though now that I thik about it, he does do the same thing with Brian Davis I do think it probably comes more easily to him in the future though. Re: Michelle - he didn't know it was an illusion until she told him it was, iirc. Stevehim 14:49, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

why he would survive

the article says he would survive because of claire's ability, but wouldn't he have survived anyway because of the Rule of Ted? --UrNoob 17:03, 1 December 2008 (EST)

• I suppose we cant be sure that the Rule of Ted would apply to people who mimic the ability, saying it was because of claire is a safer bet--Jenx222 17:14, 1 December 2008 (EST)
  • The summary should not say anything that we haven't seen in the episode. Since it never said whether or not Gabriel survived, neither should we. I removed that section altogether. Incidentally, the whole summary needs a bit of help--I only glanced at it, but it seems that it might break perspective a bit in some spots. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:05, 1 December 2008 (EST)

Sylar regaining powers through empathy

I think that theres a fair chance sylar regained past abilities to his newfound empathy. Im guessing he likely felt bad for all of his victims in this future and so may have been able to regain his old abilities in the same way he retained telekinesis through the guilt he felt. Personly i think sylar has access to empathic mimicry i.e. he understands how things work but does it through logic if he learns how to understand how things work on an emotional level then theoreticly he should be able to mimic powers through emotion. Though he may not do it automaticly like peter. He may also have used this empathic side to him on future peter as it is indicated that future peter has visited his house every now and then. He may have even helped fix various emotions peter had been feeling which would soften what would have started as a tough relationship. Jacobm7 16:45, 19 December 2008

They said in interviews that he got them back, but I think it was through his usual "scalp 'n' see" method. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:00, 20 December 2008 (EST)

Well obviously you were wrong, they later stated he kept telekinesis after the shanti virus because he had a lot of remorse for his first crime, and had a strong emotional connection to it. Since the Exposed Sylar is having his redemption, regretting all of his murders, it seems totally safe to say he did gain his powers back through empathy.--Kleith 19:34, 3 December 2009 (EST)

They said he killed other evolved humans before becoming good, no empathy there. The empathy thing has to be done when he gets the ability, even if he later regretted killing, let's say Ted and Isaac, that wouldn't bring their abilities back. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:46, 3 December 2009 (EST)

Well his powers haven't been fully removed by Arthur ! The only thing the Shanti virus did, was blocking the access to his former abilities. Nothing indicates he couldn't get his old ones by reconnecting to them by emotional way since that's exactly what he did with telekinesis. How would he have remorse BEFORE committing his crime huh ? --Kleith 19:52, 3 December 2009 (EST)

...we're talking about Sylar, not Peter, stop mixing things, Sylar never had powers removed by Arthur. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:39, 4 December 2009 (EST)

I do not mix anything. I was just saying him powers haven't been taken away. The Shanti virus just blocked the access to his abilities. And Sylar demonstrated with telekinesis that he was able, through emotional connexion, to reactivate telekinesis. Then you told me it could be possible only if Sylar took the power emotionally and not by brain slicing. Which is perfectly wrong since he didn't use any empathy to take Brian Davis' telekinesis, he killed him with cold blood, because it was "an evolution imperative !", he was animated by his hunger for power. AFTER THAT he had remorse, not before, not during, he got his power by examining the brain of Brian. So obviously if he could do it with Brian, he could do it with everyone. Telekinesis was the only power Sylar had an emotional connection to (also why that was the only power stolen Peter could mimic) and he had it after committing his crime. So it's likely the same thing happened with his other crimes in a future where he is a saint. Why wouldn't it ?--Kleith 15:56, 4 December 2009 (EST)

He felt remorse just after killing Brian, not years later, and even if he felt remorse for other people he killed, it wouldn't matter because since he already lost abilities to the Shanti virus, he wouldn't have them to "make them stick" with empathy. If he felt it a long time after having acquiring them with brain examination, but before being infected with the Shanti virus, I could see this working, but not after. Oh, and Peter could mimic Sylar's other abilities, we long ago had confirmation that Peter had all of Sylar's abilities from the moment they met, but he never accessed them. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:04, 4 December 2009 (EST)

Oh I didn't know that about Peter ! I trust you, but do you know where it was stated ? That actually interests me (and makes wonder about a lot of things actually...).

For Sylar, I understand what you mean, You think his telekinesis didn't go away but was just blocked, because of his emotionnal link, but that all the other powers were lost in the process because he was not linked to them. Yeah it could be. But then again, it could also be that his powers weren't lost, but were just accessible with a way he didn't know. I think connecting to his victims could have reactivate those powers. Kinda like when Peter first discovered he could cumulate powers. I mean I prefer think he somehow reconnected to his powers rather than he found both a ted sprague two and Isaac two, killed them while working for the company and just stole their powers. But then everyone has his ideas. ;)--Kleith 16:29, 4 December 2009 (EST)

It was in a weekly thing, either BTE or Beeman's blog, something like that. Sylar didn't know he kept telekinesis because of his emotional attachment, even after he learned the the other way he can get abilities from Arthur he didn't suddenly regain his old abilities. Peter's ability wasn't the same as Sylar's, so they don't work the same way. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:44, 4 December 2009 (EST)

Because Sylar didn't care much about his murders at that time ! It must have took him a crazy time to redeem himself. By the way, they said themselves in a BTE there was no difference between Sylar using his empathy to get powers, and Peter's way to absorb powers... So weither they are the same are not, they work the same way, according to them...--Kleith 18:42, 4 December 2009 (EST)

Episodes show otherwise, Peter never had to actively put himself in the other person's shoes like Sylar did to get someone's ability. It was just be near them and he had the ability, even if he didn't access it or knew about it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:06, 4 December 2009 (EST)

Because Peter wasn't a sociopath serial killer... He was fully opened to the others, and it's only the Feelings that made his power evolved. And actually, why are we arguing ? It's called EMPATHIC mimicry, so er... Sylar has to make an effort, not because of his power but because of his personality, it's quite obvious for god's sake. And that's been stated by the writers ! The episodes don't show otherwise, you just think otherwise... The show is pretty balanced to make people think different things, there are different interpretations. But you can't just use BTE as a defense each time you need them to then say it has no importance while it contradicts what you think. --Kleith 20:14, 4 December 2009 (EST)

Peter user powers from people before he even knew who they are, or are you saying that Peter empathized with Sylar when he figured out that's who he got telekinesis from? Peter got invisible when he first met Claure without even noticing he got invisible. He used D.L.'s ability because he was in Kirby Plaza, after having his memory erased. No way to empathize, sympathize or anything similar if you don't even remember the person. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:10, 5 December 2009 (EST)

How?

Did Peter know that Gabriel could paint the future?--Steelymcbeam 06:52, 12 February 2009 (EST)

• Peter knew Sylar took Isaac's power, but he never learned that Sylar lost almost all his acquired abilities to the Shanti virus, as far as Peter knew, Sylar still had all the abilities he got in season one. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:50, 12 February 2009 (EST)
  • Umm, and when exactly did Peter learn that Sylar killed Isaac?--Altes 13:02, 18 March 2009 (EDT)
    • By then, he'd know Isaac was killed by Sylar, it's a logical conclusion. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:42, 18 March 2009 (EDT)
      • No, think of it. After the explosion Peter was imprisoned in the Company. When he escaped, the Haitian erased his memory. After Peter regained his memory, he went to Primatech to destroy the Shanti virus, then he met Nathan, and Future Peter shot the latter. After that Peter was put in Jesse Murphy's body and time traveled with his future self. Finally Peter meets Gabriel and asks him to paint the future. Question: so when exactly did Peter learn of Isaac's death by Sylar?--Altes 04:39, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
        • Which is what I was getting at with my original question, I just got sidetracked and forgot about it. Let's just chalk it up to a continuity error.--Steely McBeam - (talk) 04:50, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

Knox's source of fear

The article says that it's Noah that Knox draws fear from. But I thought it was pretty obvious that he said that to agitate Gabriel. Only after Gabriel becomes visibly afraid for Noah does Knox do his inhale-power-up-thing and demonstrate enhanced stength AllUltima 00:30, 21 February 2009 (EST)

• I interpreted the scene as Gabriel being pretty much impervious to fear, and that it was Noah's fear (hence the camera cut to Noah) that fed Knox. Gabriel didn't become fearful until he saw that his son was in danger, which was after Knox drew in his strength. But in either case, we don't need to be so explicit in the article, especially since it seems to be more of a matter of interpretation than anything else. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:20, 21 February 2009 (EST)

Electric manipulation

Why isn't it in the list of his acquired powers? He absorbed it through empathy, so he didn't have to kill Elle for this. It's likely Future Gabriel possessed her power.--Altes 04:35, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

He only absorbed from Elle after the chain of events that caused Peter to go to Pinehearst. Had Peter not gone there Sylar would never have had Angela tell him to go rescue him and in conclusion never seen Elle again and obtained her power. Wow that took a bit.--Steely McBeam - (talk) 04:50, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

• Are you certain? Because it was hinted many times Elle was actually Noah's mom. -- Altes 13:00, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

Enhanced strength from Knox

no? it's just that he said he understood how knox's power worked and once (in an alternative past) he understood how elle's ability worked and he was able to "mimick" it, similar to knox's way. -- Meteoritu =D- 1:06, 19 April 2009

• No, according to the writers, Sylar used his empathy for Elle to absorb her ability. This has been the only instance of him absorbing an ability without examining the brain. He did not absorb Knox's ability at any time.--Bob (talk) 20:09, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Not true: somehow he absorbed shapeshifting like that according to the writters (which makes no sense to me), flight like that (in my opinion something to do with the aireal fight he had with Nathan) and empathy like that because of the romantic encounter with Lydia.--WarGrowlmon18 14:50, 9 August 2010 (EDT)
    • I think that at the time Baldboboo made that post, Elle's ability was the only one he had taken like that. On the shapeshifting matter, I think they said Sylar understood the whole "pretending/wanting to be someone else" issue or something like that. They said that empathy wasn't just for the good things. Flight can be explained by him understanding a lot about Nathan through what he learned using Clairsentience on Nathan's belongings. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:08, 9 August 2010 (EDT)
      • Personally I thought that it came from their fight in the air. What better time to understand how to fly then fighting while in flight.--WarGrowlmon18 19:40, 9 August 2010 (EDT)
        • But Sylar getting abilities empathically was never about understanding the ability, but its holder. He understood Elle's grief/father issues, Martin's being someone else issue and Nathan in general from the info he got from his stuff. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 21:34, 9 August 2010 (EDT)