Theory talk:Arthur Petrelli

Did Angela love Arthur

I don't think it's very fair to say Angela slept with everyone under the sun when she's only admitted to one affair. Yes, she has a son no one knew about, but we still don't know the father. That still isn't "everyone under the sun." Not to mention marriage is more complicated than that, but that's another story. :)--Nonredhead 11:57, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Utilitarianism

"'Dallas' has an extremely utilitarian philosophy, even willing to kill a young girl to win the war. Most of the antagonists of Heroes appear to use the same modus operandi: Adam Monroe wanted to punish the world for its sins, and Linderman wanted to unite the world by killing .07% of its population."

"Utilitarianism" is defined by maximizing utility, or creating the best world for the most people. While it can be argued that killing .07% of the world's population to improve the world for the remaining 99.93% is consistent with utilitarianism, killing 93% of the Earth's population to punish them is not.--Hardvice (talk) 17:08, 15 December 2007 (EST)

• I was under the impression that Adam wanted to get the world to stop committing its evils by punishing it. He was playing God. --LightSpectra 17:12, 15 December 2007 (EST)
  • "Playing God" =/= "utilitarianism". It's inaccurate to describe all of these character's motivations as "utilitarian". Linderman, possibly. Petrelli, to a lesser extent--he's Machiavellian, but there's no reason to believe he's doing so to maximize utility. Monroe, not in the slightest.--Hardvice (talk) 18:42, 15 December 2007 (EST)
    • The question is: was Adam misanthropic, or did he generally believe the same thing Linderman did, that mass destruction leads to a better world for the survivors? Again, I get the impression that it was the latter: "God had the right idea in flooding the world." -- LightSpectra 18:59, 15 December 2007 (EST)
      • But that's not utilitarianism. Utilitarianism is maximizing utility (happiness, wealth, etc.) for the most people. Nothing that benefits at most 7% of the population at the expense of 93% of the population can be described as "utilitarian". Faced with a decision between allowing a bad world to continue, or creating a "better" world for only 7% of the population, utilitarianism would always choose the former, because a bad world for 100% of the population is more utility than a paradise for 7% of the population (and no world for 93%). Utilitarianism considers only those actions which are for the greater good to be moral. I'm not arguing that Adam doesn't believe his motives to be pure in the same way that Linderman does. I'm saying that his rationalization has nothing whatsoever to do with utilitarianism as an ethical system, and the theory should be re-phrased to avoid suggesting that it does.--Hardvice (talk) 19:35, 15 December 2007 (EST)
        • Point taken. I'll rephrase. -- LightSpectra 20:24, 15 December 2007 (EST)

Suspicious fan-theories!!

Someone is making awfully accurate fan theories. We may have an insider here.... Terrifried 20:11, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

Arthur will explode

New theory: I think once Arthur has stolen peter's abilities, and attempt to use Ted's ability, he will explode, just like Peter Petrelli and Gabriel Gray (exposed future). Am I wrong? --Isaac Mendez 10:17, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

How can we say you're wrong if it's a theory? And if you have a theory, why don't you just put it in the actual theory page instead of on the talk page? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 10:27, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

Sylar kills arthur and takes his abilities

In the future sylar has all of peters abilities or appears to. I think he kills arthur does his brain mojo on him and thus gains all the powers he absorbed from peter. This explains why he has precognition, induced radiation and telepathy in the future (he blocks peters telepathy in the future indicating he is also a telepath.)

That's great. Why not put it in the actual theory page? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:12, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Arthur somehow attained the ability to transfer his consciousness to Nathan's body after his death.

New theory I added if someone could edit it. Because I'm new to this

Arthur honed his ability while being paralyzed?

Arthur honed his ability while being paralyzed in the hospital bed and before this his ability was just like Peter's replication. He seemed to only have one ability mimicked before this, telepathy, and there is no evidence that he "absorbed" it instead of plain replicated like Peter currently does. Laying in the hospital bed, unable to move and full of vengeance would be a great motivator to gain power. Arthur's only exercise would be mental, working out his brain might give him a huge jump in cerebral control over his ability. This would make Peter's ability the same and he could transform his ability as well but probably into a more empathetic version; like not draining but copying multiple abilities (making it similar to his original but having to touch people now). Though if Peter goes through more pain he might end up with the same result as Arthur. Does anyone else think this is a sound theory? It seemed as if Arthur came out of that bed changed, ability-wise. He never displayed multiple abilities before that and it makes sense to me, anyone else? Should this be added to Arthur and Peter's theories? User:Rspangler55

• Actually unless im mistaken Arthur also had Mental Manipulation which aloud him to wipe Angela's Memories and had Telepathy to talk to Maury while Paralyzed :) If you want you could add to theories but since we know he didnt there's really no point in doing so. Gabriel Bishop 17:26, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
  • Arthur used telepathy on Angela, he didn't erase her memories like he did with Hiro, physical contact is needed for that, it's more like he suppressed them, Angela knew something was on about Nathan, she said that whatever it was, it had to be done. Also, the effect used when Arthur does it is the same as the one when Matt uses telepathy, like the blurry focus and all. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:42, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
    • Peter was exposed to Mental Manipulation. It's possible Arthur simply tapped into Peter's untapped copy of it.--WarGrowlmon18 22:27, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
      • I agree with that, but only when he used it in Hiro, when he made Angela believe it had to be done, it was telepathy. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:06, 3 May 2009 (EDT)