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==Examples Limit==
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The Examples section is way too long. [[User:Heroe|Heroe]] 14:43, 3 January 2007 (EST)
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* We've already discussed the possibility of limiting the number of examples in Powers pages, as they would grow out of control over the course of a 5-year plotline.  Identify which examples you think are best, and how many you think should be the max for one Powers page. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 14:46, 3 January 2007 (EST)
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*I agree it's at its ''max'', but not that it's too long. I think if we add any more examples, we'll have to take some out (perhaps some of the less dynamic examples, like teleporting into the ladies room). Let's discuss possibilities before deleting examples, though. <p> Just another suggestion - perhaps, for the completionist in me, we could have just a few illustrative examples on each individual power page, and then a link to another full and complete list, perhaps something called "List of Space-time manipulation examples"? Thoughts? - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 15:26, 3 January 2007 (EST)
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== Manipulation is misnomer ==
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''' "Exactly how this ability works is unclear." ''' Using the phrase "stopping time" is actually a misnomer. We can only venture into speculation this early in the series, but we can't jump to the conclusion that he can affect time or space in any manner. In fact, time is but a measurement, from the limited perception of we linear temporal beings. Time doesn't really exist any more than a 'meter' or a 'fathom' exists. Comparing the time he stopped time in front of Micah & DL to the time he failed to stop time to get the sword and slowed it instead, I believe it safe for us to presume that Hiro is not stopping and starting time. He is only realigning his place in time, much like moving a needle on the grooves of a record. To be honest, if he literally stopped all time in the universe, that would include gravity, causing him to hurl out into space like an ant being thrown off a spinning orange. Since gravity is not affected, and he can breathe normally, and other laws of physics seem to affect him like the size and weight of surrounding objects, he's not altering reality in any manner, just his relation to it. In fact, it's really the only rational explanation based on what we've thus far observed. He doesn't stop time. He speeds up or slows down, puts himself in reverse, or fast forwards himself through reality, outside temporal constraints. In fact, I would go so far as to say whatever Hiro does has nothing in common with people whose genetics have been affected. Hiro's ability is not merely a genetic mutation. It's something beyond mere humanoid biology. -- [[User:ZachsMind|ZachsMind]] 15:56, 3 February 2007 (EST)
 
* I don't think it is necessary to try to describe any of the abilities on Heroes in a way that agrees with real life science. We can take for granted that none of them will stand up to that scrutiny. I don't agree with everything you say about time on a philosophical level. But it really isn't necessary to even get into that debate here, because when Hiro describes his own power he says that he can bend time and space. So I think "space-time manipulation" is about as good as we can get for now.--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 16:06, 3 February 2007 (EST)
 
== Character section ==
<nowiki>If you are not going to allow the Peter comment on this section, then also a change in the Episode description should also be amended as it says "but Peter manages to stop time right before the probes reach him and causes them to drop to the ground". Now, do consider that when he used TK the background sound was entirely different as when he "allegedly" stopped time. When he "allegedly" did so, the sound and animation effect used were more consistent with Hiro's abilities. (which happened to have a "trademark" sound/effect) </nowiki> --[[User:Cjfer|Cjfer]]
*I didn't know it was there.  I'll fix. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 11:12, 20 February 2007 (EST)
**Please double check Episode's discussion tab. [[User:Admin|Admin]] made the same argument I am making. --[[User:Cjfer|Cjfer]] 12:36, 20 February 2007 (EST)
***Already working on it. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 12:39, 20 February 2007 (EST)
 
Comparisons between Hiro, Sylar and Peter when faced with a shooting object shows that Peter stopping the taser probe at the rooftop has more to do with telekinesis den time-stopping.
If he just stops the time around the probe, the probe will still go through when time resumes so a better choice with time-manipulation is to reverse the time around the projectile so it returns to the chamber(like when hiro did it)...
Sylar stopped Mohinder's bullet with TK and it fell on the ground after spinning and hanging in midair.. from this we can get the conclusion that Peter is using TK and not time-manipulation..--[[User:Zenithdoom|Zenithdoom]] 03:08, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
*You can't conclude that.  Both powers have been used to stop bullets already.  Sylar used it to stop a bullet that Mohinder fired, Hiro used it to stop a bullet that Hope fired.  The difference is that when Peter stopped the probes you heard the classic sound of time slowing down plus the clicking of the taser slows and stops.  Once the probes fall the sound resumes.  Telekinesis would not have caused the clicking noise to slow down, stop, then restart anyway.  I'm not saying he didn't use telekinesis to throw the darts to the ground, it seems reasonable that he may have.  I'm just saying the darts initially stopped due to him slowing/stopping time.  ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 03:16, 11 March 2007 (EDT))
**You may not be able to conclude that it must be telekinesis, but there's also no proof that it was time manipulation. Points: 1. if Peter could manipulate space time, why would he fly away not teleport, which would be much safer? 2. How could he possibly use Hiro's power more easily than Hiro himself on Peter's first and ONLY use of it? 3. Most importantly, he automatically reacted as was necessary in the situation to save his life, right? now if he could stop time for that, how is it that he couldn't reverse time a bit to save Simone? The woman he loves dies, and he doesn't use one of his powers that he ABSOLUTELY has, to fix it??? in fact if memory serves says he CAN'T fix it, which surely after seeing Hiro come back from the future, he must know that time can go backwards. That makes absolutely no sense... Now the sound effect is a nice point, but not a do all and end all of this argument, they use the sounds because they sound cool, and they've done that before and since, such as when Peter's voice sounds much the same as Eve's did when he's yelling at Isaac, he wasn't using Eve's power, they just wanted it to sound cool! I accept that there is a possibility that it was Time manipulation, however it doesn't make much sense at all, and so should be listed as a possible usage, not a definite one, because that just doesn't stack up.([[User:Koruzarius|Koruzarius]] 00:02, 13 March 2007 (EDT))
***My input on this is that you hear Peter breathing even when the darts are stopped. Second, when they drop, you see the surprised look on Bennet's face as in "What the hell just happened?" versus an immediate reaction if stopped solely with telekinesis, wherein they could just shoot him again or chase after him then. Also, Claude's moving in the background, as is Peter. My vote is that it's space-time. I originally thought he dropped the darts with telekinesis after he stopped time, and I still stay with that observation (since the darts on their timeline were never on the floor, Hiro's reversal trick doesn't apply, but stopping certainly does). --[[User:Baldbobbo|Baldbobbo]] 01:17, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
****Look how slow Claude is moving when Peter stops time.  He doesn't look like anyone writing with voltage moving or just recently moving through is body.  I however don't think that Peter stopped it completely.  It seems he used chronokinesis and then telekinesis, since he doesn't have a grasp on his powers.  His CK was like Hiro's when he made time go really, really slow.  Also, why would Peter unconsciously absorb EVERYONE ELSE'S power, but not Future Hiro's?  It's time control.[[User:OUChevelleSS|OUChevelleSS]] 19:36, 17 May 2007 (EDT)
 
== Montecito / Corinthian ==
I got the impression they're two different casinos.  I mean, they'd be hard pressed to say that the scenes from ''Collision'' & ''Run!'' took place in the Corinthian, since everything has "Montecito" plastered all over it.  Also, the sets are completely different.  It's also worth noting that the Corinthian website calls it Linderman's newest casino.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 16:02, 6 March 2007 (EST)
 
== "How it's done" section? ==
*Do we think we should have a section which explains how the time-freezing scenes are actually accomplished (green screen + actors miming)? -- {{User:Lost Soul/sig}} 08:40, 19 August 2007 (EDT)
** You mean for the visual effects? I think we could have a note about it, and then a link to ''[[Inside Heroes]]'' or ''[[Heroes Unmasked]]'', since that's the source of the information. Those articles are better suited for explaining away the intricacies of the VFX, and this article, if anything, should only briefly summarize the process. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 08:47, 19 August 2007 (EDT)
***Yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry, I didn't explain myself properly. -- {{User:Lost Soul/sig}} 08:56, 19 August 2007 (EDT)
 
== Intense concentration? ==
The page mentions at the start of the limits section for Hiro that "All of Hiro's space-time manipulation abilities require intense concentration." I think this is obsolete; in recent episodes, Hiro seems to have a much better handle on his power, using it with apparently little effort. This is also somewhat noted later in the limits section: "Upon obtaining the sword of Takezo Kensei, he was immediately able to teleport himself and Ando through both time and space with relative ease." However, after that, there's no mention of his using the power with less effort, even though it does mention him using it without the sword. My point is, should we amend the article, to mention Hiro's apparent mastery over his power? We would still keep the "intense concentration" note at the top, but make it more past-tense, as in "When he first manifested his power, and for some time afterward, Hiro needed intense concentration to use his power.", with a mention of Hiro using it with more ease later on? Perhaps mention how his power seems to have developed a fair bit with practice, for example: he mentioned in his blog at one point (Mudslide, to be precise) that he couldn't hold on to the time-freeze for more than twenty seconds, then in a later episode, he froze time for long enough to either fold 1000 origami cranes for Charlie, or to transport them all from somewhere else, if he'd already folded them. I'd be happy to make these changes myself, I'd just like to have a green light first. --[[User:Anomaly|Anomaly]] 06:07, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
* While Hiro's power use is much more reliable than it used to be, I'm still noticing that he usually closes his eyes and furrows his brow when he activates it.  I can moderate the statement some, though. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 09:51, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
 
== Opium ==
"Hiro's ability has been subdued by giving off fumes of opium, thus disabling him from stopping time or teleporting." I'm not sure this is accurate. Did the opium subdue his powers, or just make him too zonked out to summon up enough concentration or willpower to use them?[[User:N W|N W]] 11:59, 6 November 2007 (EST)
*It had to do with breaking his concentration, not disabling his powers. Hiro was still able to teleport after inhaling all that opium fume. Yaeko also told him that he needed to concentrate.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 16:37, 17 November 2007 (EST)
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== Other Teleporters ==
We have a couple of other people who "teleport" listed in the notes.  I put them back there after someone moved them under the Characters heading.  It is our policy that we don't list someone as a "Character" with the power until they demonstrate it in an episode or GN, correct?  Also, we don't know if their teleportation abilities work on the same principles. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 13:11, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
 
== Confirmed/Unconfirmed ==
SAC, Like they subHeadings. Putting the unconfirmed at the top just keeps them from getting buried and lost at the bottom of ever-growing pages, and makes it quick and easy for anyone coming to a power page to see who "all" of the people who may have the power are.<small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 05/24/2008 09:31 (EST)</small>
 
== Teleportation page ==
Just wondering because it seems as if we are going to have more teleporters now should we create a separate page for Teleportation instead of redirecting it. They are actually two separate abilities that [[Hiro]] and [[Peter]] just so happen to possess in a different way. Just a thought. [[User:Shoyru1177|Shoyru1177]]
* I don't think so. There are a ton of pages that link to [[Special:Whatlinkshere/teleport|teleport]], [[Special:Whatlinkshere/teleportation|teleportation]], [[Special:Whatlinkshere/teleports|teleports]], and [[Special:Whatlinkshere/teleporting|teleporting]], and it would be silly to go back and change all those links just because we have some people we are told can teleport. If those others demonstrated their ability, there might be a weak argument for a subpage or something, but even then, teleportation is teleportation. I'd rather just create a separate section on the page for teleportation if it ever becomes something that we see as a unique power. But until then, the page is fine as it is, if you ask me. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:20, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
** Now that we have [[Manuel Garcia]] displaying the ability in [[Into the Wild, Part 3]], should we make a page for teleportation only?--[[User:Citizen|Citizen]] 17:38, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
*** I don't see why we'd have to. Manuel can teleport, which is part of space-time manipulation. We never say anything speculative on the page, and we're not giving false or incomplete information, as far as I can tell. I think we're fine with the page as it is. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:37, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
**Where did you see [[Manuel Garcia]] in [[Into the Wild, Part 3]]?--[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] 08:29, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
*** He was one of the agents killed at the [[New York bridge|bridge]]. [[:Image:JB Shell.jpg|Here's a picture of him]]. [[Jason Badower]] identified him in a [http://boards.9thwonders.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=64597&view=findpost&p=722627 forum post] at [[9thwonders.com]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:36, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
*I also agree as well with the fact teleportation and Hiro's ability shouldn't be merge. To assume that someone who can teleport can travel through time would be speculative. It would also be speculative to assume that they bend space and time to teleport. All we know is that they get from point A to point B in a split second. Nothing more nothing less. Well except for the fact that when a teleporter dies their body fades in and out (Into the Wild part 3).--[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 13:54, 9 December 2008 (EST)OutbackZack
**To further make my point we can look at other well establish comic book characters that teleport. Nightcrawer is a well known teleporter who doesn't bend space and time, but instead crosses in and out of another dimension in a blink of an eye. Now I'm NOT saying that we have come across a teleporter from Heroes like this, but instead saying we are unaware how Manuel Garcia does teleport. To assume that he bends space and time is too speculative. So thus we must make a separate page for this ability and link Hiro to that page as it being a byproduct of his main ability. --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 17:56, 10 December 2008 (EST)OutbackZack
**I agree that there should be a separate page for teleportation. There are 2 known teleporters now while only one STM user. Also, (as a side note) someone with telepathy (Matt) is able to cast illusions but someone who can cast illusions (Candice) can't read minds. Aren't the two principles the same? --<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-weight:bold;"></span>'''[[User:Elemental Manipulator|Elemental Manipulator]]'''</span> [ [[User:Elemental Manipulator|U]] | [[User_talk:Elemental Manipulator|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elemental Manipulator|C]] ]'''</small> - <span style="color:green;">When in doubt, ask BTE </span> 02:57, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 
== Future Hiro's Limits ==
I rewatched Season 1 again just recently and I didn't notice any instance where Future Hiro included anyone else in his powers without physical contact.  The only time that I can think the article could be referencing is when he teleported back in time to tell Peter about Claire but we don't know if it was Future Hiro's doing or Peter duplicating Hiro's power like the time in Primatech Paper. What are everyone's thoughts?--[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] 14:43, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
* As far as I know, we've yet to see any version of Hiro or Peter move someone else through time or space without touching them. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 11:44, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
* It is also implied that they do need to make contact, as we see Peter TK Matt into range to touch him before sending him to Africa. [[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 08:55, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
 
== Full Time Stopping? ==
Now that Daphne has been introduced, and she can still move about when Hiro "stops time"...<br />
Does this mean that he doesn't fully stop time, but just slows it way down to "appears to be stopping time"? Does full time stopping exist in the show's mythology? <br />
If so, was it written so that he did fully stop time before, but they've since retconned it so that he never did? Was this done in order to either fit Daphne in and/or alleviate any "science problems" with full time stopping? <br />
Or does it mean that he never did fully stop time, but just slowed it way down to "appears to be stopping time"?<br />
What do you all think? -- [[User:Prander|Prander]] 11:13, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
* Seeing how Hiro's power had her initially at a full stop in "The Second Coming", I'm wondering if its not more a matter of Hiro's concentration slipping, like it did when he went after Sylar in "The Hard Part". --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 11:43, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
** Wish i knew this question on Friday, would of asked Masi.--[[User:Skywalkerrbf|Skywalkerrbf]] 11:47, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
**I was thinking about this also, and I agree with Ted. The trail from Daphne was there and steady, but when Hiro came close to Daphne, that's when the trail quickly disappeared, and Daphne stood still for a second before she started talking. I think it's more along the lines of her still moving very fast, but Hiro hasn't stopped time completely. She's in his head.--{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 16:45, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
***It could also be that she needed to increase her speed to account for the time change, and it took her a bit to 'catch up.'  It's probably best to leave things as they are until this is cleared up, since it's such a massive change (will need to be made on a bunch of different pages) [[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 08:57, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
****Personally, I put it down to Hiro's concentration slipping, as Daphne was completely frozen initially, and as he starts staring at her, time starts to flow. Daphne even mentioned that time can't be completely stopped or "we're not having this conversation". The remaining encounters can also be explained by Hiro being agitated, and a lot of Daphne's comments and her attitude really seem to annoy Hiro. [[User:Photolysis|Photolysis]] 09:09, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
*****The way I see it, Hiro initially stopped time completely.  But when he caught up to Daphne, he sped it up just enough so that she could move around in normal (but not super) speed, so he could talk to her (Does this mean that she also has the power of speed-talking?). This would also explain why the speed trail suddenly caught up with her.--[[User:PrometheusMMIV|PrometheusMMIV]] 10:32, 9 November 2008 (EST)
* While I also asked the other questions I posed here (including the 'concentration' one you guys brought up), I had the main question answered in the [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18343 newest BTE interview]...<br />
'''''"Now that Daphne has been introduced, and she can still move about when Hiro 'stops time,' she states that he must not be fully stopping time. Does this mean that he doesn't fully stop time, but just slows it way down to 'appears to be stopping time?'"'''''
 
''Yes. Exactly. Whatever a nano of a nano second is, that's where they live.''<br />
-- [[User:Prander|Prander]] 14:15, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
 
* In any event, I don't think this really changes anything significant.  It's still called "stopping time" even if the truth is (or is not) that time is moving extremely slowly.  Maybe some times he's stopped time completely, some times it's been infinitesimally slow (where he can interact with [[Daphne]]), other times it's been noticeably slow (when he slowed down time in the museum), and another time he seemed to actually reverse time (sending the bullet from [[Hope]]'s gun back into the chamber).  ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 14:24, 7 October 2008 (EDT))
** I agree that it doesn't really change anything. Though, it's "technically" not 'stopping time,' it still basically is. It's also been, as you pointed out, clearly presented differently than what we've seen presented as 'slowing time'. I would've like to have had my "did he always 'slow time way down' or was it changed (retconned) from 'stopping time'" question answered. Oh, well. -- [[User:Prander|Prander]] 16:13, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
 
== Use ==
In [[Angels and Monsters]], did Hiro stop time several times and physically moved Adam back to the coffin while time was frozen or did he actively teleported him into the coffin? I ask this cause it wasn't very clear, both situations seem possible, specially after we saw future Peter teleport Matt away without teleporting himself. He did need to touch him, but the fact the ability was used in a different way implies that other ways might also be possible. Hiro has rewinded time in a specific location before, maybe he learned to do the same thing with the space aspect of the ability? Penny for your thoughts. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 16:48, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
* I think he slowed time and put him back, as he didn't seem to touch Adam (and I don't know if Hiro even has that level of control yet).  I don't recall if we saw Ando moving during any of that, but since we weren't shown the interim, I don't think that would necessarily matter. [[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 16:51, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
 
== different name ==
i think we should change the name here is the reason why http://theories.activatingevolution.org/swiki/wiki/index.php/List_of_Anomalistic_Abilities
though i'm not certain of the canon status of the site, waiting for your opinion people --[[User:Manwithnoname|Manwithnoname]] 18:26, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
:# The name right now is of the highest canon ranking. Nothing else matters.
:# That site is garbage.
:<small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 18:54, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
:: To put it more politely, [[activatingevolution.org]] is a wiki with fan-submitted material. That right there disqualifies any name given (even [http://theories.activatingevolution.org/swiki/wiki/index.php/Clairalience clairalience], [http://theories.activatingevolution.org/swiki/wiki/index.php/Necrokinesis necrokinesis], and [http://theories.activatingevolution.org/swiki/wiki/index.php/Emokinesis emokinesis]). The site has no administrators, and therefore is subject to vandalism, theories posted as fact, and lots of silliness submitted by fans. So thought there might be some good names on the list you posted, they are certainly not from [[canon]] sources, and they definitely don't fit the [[naming convention]]. Sorry! :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:04, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
 
oh man... i'm the one who was sorry, i didn't know it, it seemed just so true thank you guys anyway, and yeah the site is indeed garbage --[[User:Manwithnoname|Manwithnoname]] 07:22, 1 November 2008 (EDT)
 
== New Development ==
A new development has gone unnoticed. In '[[The Second Coming]]' [[Peter Petrelli (exposed future)|Future Peter]] clearly teleports [[Matt]] to Africa Without going there himself. This hasn't been shown before by Either [[Hiro]] or [[Peter]].
I just think this should be mentioned in the limits. --[[User:LEE337]] 20:12 21st November 2008
:That's mentioned under Future Peter. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 15:55, 21 November 2008 (EST)
:: some of us think that this was actually [[User:NiveKJ13/Object displacement|Object displacement]], but that's not a popular line of thought so says the talk page --{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 00:57, 22 November 2008 (EST)
 
== Peter ==
it is my belief that peter used telekinesis and not space-time manipulation in unexpected, because when he stopped the probes from the taser, it was the same sound effect used as when other characters have used telekinesis, and it was most definitely not the sound effect used when either peter or hiro used space-time manipulation. [[User:Peter1701|Peter1701]] 01:55, 29 November 2008 (EST)
* You're half right. He definitely did use telekinesis to drop the tasers, and the sound effects back that up. However, before he used telekinesis, he slowed time using space-time manipulation. The sound effects and the visual effects back this up. See [[Episode talk:Unexpected#Peter stopping time|here]] and [[Talk:Peter Petrelli/Archive 1#Hiro's power?|here]] for previous discussions on the subject. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 02:13, 29 November 2008 (EST)
** I agree with the first person that it seemed more likely to be telekinesis.  That's what it looked like to me.  If he was using Hiro's power, why didn't he just teleport himself and Claude away???--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 12:41, 11 December 2008 (EST)
*** He had never used teleportation at that point, and it was clearly more of a reflex than a conscious move. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 13:07, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 
==Divide==
*Shouldn't we divide Teleportation from Space-Time Manipulation?--{{User:NiveKJ13/sig1}} 11:04, 16 December 2008 (EST)
**I agree with this notion as well. However, it seems that it keeps being overlooked--[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 15:52, 16 December 2008 (EST)
***There, I nominated the article for a split. Please refer to the above "Teleportation page" section for my reasoning.--[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 04:46, 17 December 2008 (EST)
**** I agree as well. Space-time manipulation can cover the aspects of moving through, slowing, reversing, and stopping time, whereas teleportation can cover just that. Hiro can be listed as having a [[User:Riddler/Ability_byproducts|byproduct]].--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 15:09, 17 December 2008 (EST)
***** I agree that this article should be split up. And it's not unusual if that would mean [[Hiro]] would possess two powers. We've seen it with [[Santiago]] who also has two abilities. I guess some abilities come with some extra's that are part of it, moving through time is a form of teleportation as well. [[User:DarthYotho|DarthYotho]] 16:30, 17 December 2008 (EST)
******Quite honestly, I see no reason to have to list it as a byproduct. If we did that, we would have to rename Hiro's power to '''Time manipulation''', and that would go against canon. [[User:Psilaq Remake|Psilaq Remake]] 20:49, 17 December 2008 (EST)
*******I agree it shouldn't be listed as a byproduct, but I still believe that the page needs to be split.--[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 20:53, 17 December 2008 (EST)
******** Agree. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:53, 17 December 2008 (EST)
********* If we don't classify it as a byproduct, we can't go around calling anything else byproducts, since it's the same exact thing. I had a suggestion for how byproducts should be handled at [[User talk:Riddler/Ability byproducts]], but this is relying on us keeping the whole byproduct thing at all. I still think it's silly, but if we're to have it we need a standard.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 01:36, 18 December 2008 (EST)
********** There's nothing to suggest that Hiro has Rachel Mills's ability as a byproduct of his own. Hiro has one ability that lets him do at least three distinct things--stop time, teleport, and time travel. I agree with you to an extent, Riddler, that we can't go around calling other things byproducts. The exception, of course, is [[super speed]] being a byproduct of [[accelerated probability]], since that was confirmed by writers in a BTE. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 07:33, 18 December 2008 (EST)
 
*I'm still new to this whole process. How long does a nomination last for? So far it seem pretty clear cut that we agree on splitting the article between the two abilities and '''not''' noting that Hiro has a byproduct seeing how it wasn't listed in any cannon sources. --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 22:24, 17 December 2008 (EST)
** If by splitting the pages you mean creating one for teleportation but keeping teleportation (and Hiro, Peter, and Arthur) on this page as well, as an aspect of STM, I'm all for it.  It would be similar to telepathy and illusion being two different pages, in that telepaths can also create illusions, but illusionists do not have the ability to read/control people's minds.  --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 23:31, 17 December 2008 (EST)
***Yes that's exactly what I mean. It will be nice once there is a split, because Manuel Garcia has the ability, but never been seen using it. However, his lifeless body was fading in and out, and I would love to note that.--[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 23:41, 17 December 2008 (EST)
****Hey Stevehim, did you realize I made that same point about about telepathy and illusion in the 'teleportation page' thread above 2 days ago?--<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-weight:bold;"></span>'''[[User:Elemental Manipulator|Elemental Manipulator]]'''</span> [ [[User:Elemental Manipulator|U]] | [[User_talk:Elemental Manipulator|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elemental Manipulator|C]] ]'''</small> - <span style="color:green;">When in doubt, ask BTE </span> 04:24, 18 December 2008 (EST)
***** I did not, but good point.  ;)  --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 05:39, 18 December 2008 (EST)
I just split off and created [[Teleportation]] as it's own page; and removed the stand-alone references from this topic.  Check it out.  <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 12/18/2008 10:57 (EST)</small>
* Does anyone know if there is a page that is a list of '''Redirects'''?  I want to go through and make sure all of the references we have for '''teleport''' are going to the correct page between the two. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 12/18/2008 11:01 (EST)</small>
** All appropriate teleportation redirects have already been switched over. One way to look for redirects is to check [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Space-time manipulation]] (or check [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere/Space-time_manipulation&limit=5000&from=0 up to 5000 links]!), and then just do a text search (CTRL + F on most computers) for "redirect". For a full list of redirects, see [[Special:Listredirects]], which lists all redirects on Heroes Wiki, and is not very good for searching specific redirects. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:15, 18 December 2008 (EST)
 
==Anyone Left?==
Following ''[[Dual]]'', are there any characters left who actually have this ability?  At least the full version?  Arthur took it away from Peter and Hiro, then died himself.  Assuming, for the moment, that Peter has to start absorbing powers all over again, then he is currently limited to empathy, flight, and pyrokinesis.  That leaves only Daphne able to travel through time, and only if Ando helps her.  I'm wondering if we'll see less time-travel paradox stuff happening in volume four... maybe even hoping that we can go a season without an "end of the world vision of the future" to foil. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 12:42, 16 December 2008 (EST)
* I think the writters said they were gonna stop using the time travel to the future stuff as a crutch meaning for the next volume at least, we probably won't see that.  Good thing too: its getting old.  Oh and I hope Peter regained all of his abilities when he injected himself with the formula.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 13:07, 16 December 2008 (EST)
**Am I the only one who would be  glad if Peter's abilities got "wiped" and he has to absorb them all over again? It'd make things way better than having a win-all, unbeatable, absolutely god-mod character running around with his emotions absolutely out of control. ~~[[User:Darmenos|Darmenos]] 18:36, 16 December 2008 (EDT)
** I'd rather see time travel back in time than to the future. That can be accomplished just as easily with time travel as it can with flashbacks (''[[Six Months Ago]]'') or "[[spirit walk]]s" (''[[Villains]]''). (Though I'd still like to see what that ''1977'' episode is all about!) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:21, 16 December 2008 (EST)
***By the way, to answer the "anyone left?" question: possibly [[Rachel Mills]].--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 20:04, 16 December 2008 (EST)
***Peter got his abilities back...And he demonstrated [[Flight]] right away, so this means he still have the abilities he mimicked. --{{User:NiveKJ13/sig1}} 11:44, 18 December 2008 (EST)
****While likely, it's possible he lost his previously mimicked abilities, and since he got that one back, he remimicked Nathan. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 12:02, 18 December 2008 (EST)
:***** Touche. :D --{{User:NiveKJ13/sig1}} 13:19, 18 December 2008 (EST)
*We still have Daphne/Ando, too. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 17:37, 20 December 2008 (EST)
 
==Why is Daphne added?==
Daphne super charged ability may let her perform some things similar to space-time manipulation, but I don't think she should be mentioned in this article. When she traveled back in time she was using super charged super speed, which is not space time manipulation at all. I think we could mention it on the super speed page and just make a small heading listing super charged forms of this ability, this would provide enough detail.--[[User:Dave|Dave]]
*One of the three aspects of space-time manipulation is time travel, which is exactly what Daphne did when supercharged. She even (inexplicably) moved FORWARD in time at will.  --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 17:37, 20 December 2008 (EST)
** Ando, Kaito, Claire, and Caitlin have all traveled in time, too. Adam, Matt, and others have been teleported. That doesn't mean any of them have this ability. This page is not a list of examples of when people have traveled through time, but an article about Hiro's power (which was absorbed by Peter and Arthur) called "space-time manipulation". Daphne does not have this power. She should not be mentioned on here at all. About the most that should happen is something in the See Also section. I'll remove Daphne from the page now. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:10, 20 December 2008 (EST)
*** Ando, Kaito, and Claire have all traveled as a result of Hiro bringing them around, likewise with Adam, Caitlin, and Matt by Peter.  Daphne and Ando, by combining their powers, traveled through time '''without''' using the ability of any pre-established time-traveling character.  --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 11:55, 21 December 2008 (EST)
**** That still doesn't mean that Daphne has this ability. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:43, 21 December 2008 (EST)
*****You're right, she doesn't. However, her ability once "supercharge" allows for her to. So how about we place the time travel on her page and just have it link to the "Time traveling" page, or whatever it's call.--[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 15:58, 21 December 2008 (EST)
****** [[Time travel]] redirects to this page, which wouldn't be right. She doesn't time travel the same way Hiro does. [[Space-time manipulation]] allows Hiro to to instantaneously jump to a different time period. Daphne needs another person, and it takes some time for her to get there--in fact she has to travel at the speed of light. Hiro doesn't, as far as we know. Her page could link to [[time travel (theory)]] or [[time travel (disambig)]], I guess. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:33, 21 December 2008 (EST)
*******Then I say just list it in the limits and have it link to the disambig.--[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 20:09, 21 December 2008 (EST)
 
== Split? ==
Hiro's new ability only allows him to stop time, as confirmed by Aron Coliete  and Joe Pokaski in [http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20604  Behind the Eclipse week 19]. Should this be separate ability from Space-Time Manipulation? Maybe just 'time-freezing' or something? If there's a new one for Peter, I think that there should be a new one for Hiro as well. --[[User:Laudo|Laudo]]
:There's a very good argument against it, by Ryan at [[Talk:Time manipulation]]. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 19:56, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
 
== Empathic Mimicry ==
== Empathic Mimicry ==
When [[Peter Petrelli| Peter]] meets [[Future Hiro Nakamura| Future Hiro]] on the Subway train I think he is uneffected by the Space/time manipulation because he absorbed it unintentionally from Hiro not because Hiro left him unfrozen this is only my own opinion I don't mind if you don't agree [[User:BrainRemovalMan|BrainRemovalMan]] 15:36, 9 May 2009
When [[Peter Petrelli| Peter]] meets [[Future Hiro Nakamura| Future Hiro]] on the Subway train I think he is uneffected by the Space/time manipulation because he absorbed it unintentionally from Hiro not because Hiro left him unfrozen this is only my own opinion I don't mind if you don't agree [[User:BrainRemovalMan|BrainRemovalMan]] 15:36, 9 May 2009
* I believe writers have confirmed that, too. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:45, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
* I believe writers have confirmed that, too. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:45, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
Is this why the page says Future Hiro is able to selectively include others in freezing time? We've seen him do this with Noah Bennet in Heroes Reborn but I can't remember him doing it in the original series. I agree with Ryangibsonstewart; it always seemed to me like Peter stayed unfrozen because he absorbed the ability. --[[User:Tikalal|Tikalal]] ([[User talk:Tikalal|talk]]) 08:58, 31 October 2015 (EDT)


== Danko Reaction in "An Invisible Thread" ==
== Danko Reaction in "An Invisible Thread" ==
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Nice theory.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 18:49, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
Nice theory.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 18:49, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
* Ishi, his owner mother, damned him with the tumor, the kiss of death! lol, just joking :p -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 19:01, 7 December 2009 (EST)


== Time traveler's possible death ==
== Time traveler's possible death ==
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*It may stop time, but they may not know it. For instance, the time (as in clock) stops, but only Future Hiro and Peter can sense the "stopping" they are the only ones that can feel it. The whole world stops, BUT them. When Hiro stopped time in this last volume, once with Baby Matt, and another with Ando. With both, Hiro touched both of them and then they could move with Hiro. But (like the time with Baby Matt) when Hiro carried Ando all around town in the wheel barrow, everyone else was frozen. Only the people that it affects, effects time for them. The others don't realize it. Even their thoughts freeze. (Freeze as in put on hold not Tracy's power) --[[User:Iheartheroes|Iheartheroes]] 16:14, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
*It may stop time, but they may not know it. For instance, the time (as in clock) stops, but only Future Hiro and Peter can sense the "stopping" they are the only ones that can feel it. The whole world stops, BUT them. When Hiro stopped time in this last volume, once with Baby Matt, and another with Ando. With both, Hiro touched both of them and then they could move with Hiro. But (like the time with Baby Matt) when Hiro carried Ando all around town in the wheel barrow, everyone else was frozen. Only the people that it affects, effects time for them. The others don't realize it. Even their thoughts freeze. (Freeze as in put on hold not Tracy's power) --[[User:Iheartheroes|Iheartheroes]] 16:14, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
** According to BTE, time does stop everywhere... And what was the present-day Hiro doing when Future Hiro stopped time? {{User:Altes/Signature}}
** According to BTE, time does stop everywhere... And what was the present-day Hiro doing when Future Hiro stopped time? {{User:Altes/Signature}}
***Now i'm looking back at this page, what about in [[Once Upon a Time in Texas]], surely this means time stops for any other Hiro, yes...? --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 12:24, 21 January 2010 (EST)
* What I think she said was "If you followed me to Bangkok, would time stay frozen in Tokyo?". --{{User:Leckie/Signature 10}} 12:29, 21 January 2010 (EST)
**yeah, i know that was the question, but what I was asking before was, if time stopped everywhere, would any other hiro in that timeline stop with the rest of humanity, or would he "step-out" of time as well... and as of OUATIT we know that any other hiro ''does'' stop. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 12:39, 21 January 2010 (EST)


== In the second coming... ==
== In the second coming... ==
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*Yeah but its been some time since Orientation and Jump, Push, Fall (enough for Noah to have recovered and Peter to have rescued many people with his super speed).  Hiro probably practiced and regained control of his time travel ability off-screen.  Ando said that after Hiro returned from the past which Hiro indeed couldn't control ''at that time'', but he'd just got his power back.  Not everything is done on-screen and he time traveled 47 times.  I seriously doubt he could have done that without control.  I think he managed to gain control of it again probably through practice.  When he time traveled in Orientaion and Jump, Push, Fall he couldn't control when he'd leave and come back, but he definitly seemed to control that here.  I think he can control it now again.  Remember it did take Peter awhile to control his new power when he got it.  Hiro could control stopping time immediatly because that's easy, but time travel takes a lot more work and control as he has to specificly focus on where and when he wants to go.  He was a bit out of practice when he got it back and that could have contributed to that also.  His disappearence may have to do with his illness and the effects it has on his power: he got frozen in time using it because of the illness remember???  Well he did have one of his headaches just before disappearing so that probably caused that.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 20:21, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
*Yeah but its been some time since Orientation and Jump, Push, Fall (enough for Noah to have recovered and Peter to have rescued many people with his super speed).  Hiro probably practiced and regained control of his time travel ability off-screen.  Ando said that after Hiro returned from the past which Hiro indeed couldn't control ''at that time'', but he'd just got his power back.  Not everything is done on-screen and he time traveled 47 times.  I seriously doubt he could have done that without control.  I think he managed to gain control of it again probably through practice.  When he time traveled in Orientaion and Jump, Push, Fall he couldn't control when he'd leave and come back, but he definitly seemed to control that here.  I think he can control it now again.  Remember it did take Peter awhile to control his new power when he got it.  Hiro could control stopping time immediatly because that's easy, but time travel takes a lot more work and control as he has to specificly focus on where and when he wants to go.  He was a bit out of practice when he got it back and that could have contributed to that also.  His disappearence may have to do with his illness and the effects it has on his power: he got frozen in time using it because of the illness remember???  Well he did have one of his headaches just before disappearing so that probably caused that.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 20:21, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
**Actually it looked like he was accidentally teleporting. Every time takeshi would jump, hiro would scream something about being able to save him, then teleport. It didn't look like he was purposely doing it either. He just started jumping through time.
**Actually it looked like he was accidentally teleporting. Every time takeshi would jump, hiro would scream something about being able to save him, then teleport. It didn't look like he was purposely doing it either. He just started jumping through time.
SINCE there is a part of the brain that controls abilities, it can be assumed that a tumor '''could''' develop in or near it. If Hiro's tumor is in that node of the brain, it's possible that large enough changes in it's state would trigger abilities against Hiro's will or cause his ability to malfunction. My money's on the fact that this IS the case. Also this tumor could be crossing wires, causing the paths to certain memories to, given stong enough voltage, to stimulate the bit that causes a teleportation.--{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 00:37, 30 October 2009 (EDT)


== The Physics of Stopped (Incredibly slowed down) Time? ==
== The Physics of Stopped (Incredibly slowed down) Time? ==


My main question of this is if Hiro froze time, then moved across the room, would he push the air molecules out of the way? And if he did, when he unfroze time, would he cause a thunder crash from the molecules crashing together?  
My main question of this is if Hiro froze time, then moved across the room, would he push the air molecules out of the way? And if he did, when he unfroze time, would he cause a thunder crash from the molecules crashing together?  
Also, would there be either no friction and gravity? Like if Hiro pushed someone sitting in a chair, would they hover there?
Also, would there be either no friction and gravity? Like if Hiro pushed someone sitting in a chair, would they hover there? -- [[User:Zaxbees|Zaxbees]] 22:55, 28 October 2009
*Artistic license. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 17:43, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
** I think that when Hiro stops time, he creates a dimensional bubble around himself that allows time to continue normally.  This is why he is able to breathe and not suffocate as the air molecules would be very stiff.  So he is free to walk around and interact with objects in frozen space, and if he manipulates them enough can bring them into his regular time bubble.  At least that's how I tell myself he's doing it, see if it works for you. -{{user:barbedknives/sig}}13:47, 5 November 2009 (EST)
*** I would say that either he's immune to the harmful effects of his ability, or that he extends his ability, at least partially, to the things he interacts with. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:09, 5 November 2009 (EST)
**** The numerous flaws inherent in the concept of 'freezing' time extend beyond what a 'dimensional bubble' would solve. Everything outside of this bubble would be in pure black darkness, for instance, as light waves would stop moving. So I think it's best to go with the 'artistic license' point, and not worry too much about what is and isn't affected by time stopping in this respect. --[[User:EkimCF|EkimCF]] 15:35, 29 November 2009 (EST)
*****Not exactly.  It's been stated by the writers that Hiro doesn't actually freeze time, he just slows it down to an extremely tiny fraction of it's normal speed.  And from his perspective, time continues normally.  Photons of light would still be traveling to their destination, albeit extremely slowly and from his dimensional bubble would still refract light into Hiro's cornea.  Now shadows on the other hand would be tricky.  Again the bubble theory is all speculation, because it hasn't been explained exactly what happens to Hiro when he slows time to a crawl.  First of all, matter would be moving so slow as to reduce their temperature close to absolute zero.  Secondly, the atmosphere is still made of matter, so if it is slowed incredibly it would mean that Hiro would have to trudge through the air as if it were a heavy goo, assuming he could breathe at all.  Also, as you said light wouldn't travel into his eyes as fast but instead of being dark, he would just see a flash frame of the object as it were when he froze it.  So for example, looking at a piece of paper on a desk in frozen time would look like a piece of paper.  When you look at it in frozen time you'd see the desk, but as you walked over and bumped into it, it would still appear in it's same position when before you bumped it.  It's crazy stuff, and obviously not what's happening in the show.  -{{user:barbedknives/sig}}20:13, 11 December 2009 (EST)
****** Photons ''always'' travel at the speed of light; they cannot be slowed down. There's no problem with Hiro seeing when time slows down; light reaches his eyes normally. All thanks to [[Einstein]]'s special relativity.--[[User:Referos|Referos]] 21:47, 11 December 2009 (EST)
******* Photons move at 300,000 kilometres per second, but if this second lasts for an hour, then photons will be slowed down too. You know, this reminds me of a Russian novel "Doomsday". The Earth flew into an area which slowed the light down, and everybody saw things which happened five minutes ago, and visible light spectrum was distorted. It was really weird. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
******** Ok, sure, light can be slowed down depending on the medium, but that's not what happens when Hiro uses his ability. All inertial observers must see light travelling at the same speed, otherwise physics explodes.--[[User:Referos|Referos]] 09:58, 12 December 2009 (EST)
 
== Question ==
 
Is it possible that if someone had used the time manipulation aspect so much that both parts would become broken (IE: slipping through time, flash forward time in years)? --[[User:TrueBlueBrooklynite|TrueBlueBrooklynite]] 13:42, 5 November 2009 (EST)
* It's hard to say exactly how it works, Hiro and Arnold seem to be effected by overuse of the ability but it's impossible to know how it affects the time-space continuum or whether the ability degrades after continuous use - {{User:Jenx222/sig2}} 13:48, 5 November 2009 (EST)
 
==Oh no! The writers broke this power==
When future hiro used this power, past hiro was frozen in time. So users of this ability are only sometimes immune to time stopping?
*Looks like it. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:07, 5 November 2009 (EST)
** Future Hiro's power ''is'' broken... maybe now it affects other STMers as well. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
***But it isn't broken. We found out the tumor is normal and that hiro is regaining control of his power. My guess is that young hiro isn't skilled enough to have an immunity yet. [[User:Gamerelite1|Gamerelite1]]
**** But Peter didn't freeze in the subway train when Future Hiro stopped time. However, he may be a different case because of his power... By the way, don't forget to add your signature. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
***** I may be mistaken, but wasn't Past Hiro in the bathroom when Current Hiro stopped time? -{{User:Vampirate68/sig}} | 09:10, 7 November 2009 (EST)
*******Yes. And future hiro walked up to him and unfroze time.[[User:Gamerelite1|Gamerelite1]] 22:37, 7 November 2009 (EST)
 
== Axe ==
 
Can someone shrink down Hiro's section? It's monstrously huge. That's what we have examples pages for. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 12:51, 24 November 2009 (EST)
 
== Future Hiro ==
 
*Is the section about Future Hiro even necessary? I mean, we never mention the future versions of characters in abilities page (with the exception of people with multiple powers, since their future selves can have different abilities than their past selves). [[Electronic communication]] has no section for [[Future Hana]]. [[Telepathy]] has no section for [[Matt (explosion future)|Future Matt]]. [[Flight]] has no section for [[Nathan (exposed future)|Future Nathan]]. [[Clairvoyance]] has no section for [[Future Molly]]. [[Super speed]] has no section for [[Future Daphne]]. But [[space-time manipulation]] has a section for Future Hiro? Besides, it is really weird that we have a section for Hiro from the explosion future but not from the exposed future.--[[User:Referos|Referos]] 18:14, 27 November 2009 (EST)
*To me, future Hiro had a bigger part that any other future character.  And I the exposed future hiro we saw was only seen for 10 seconds, being killed by future ando.--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 18:20, 27 November 2009 (EST)
**Peter from the exposed future also played a crucial role in season 3, yet we don't devote a section of [[empathic mimicry]] to him.--[[User:Referos|Referos]] 18:25, 27 November 2009 (EST)
*** I feel like anyone from the future who comes to the present (since they now impact the "primary timeline") should be listed.  This means [[Hiro Nakamura (explosion future)]] and [[Peter Petrelli (exposed future)]].  --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 13:13, 28 November 2009 (EST)
**** I think there's a section for Future Hiro because he had much more control over his ability than Present Hiro. {{User:Altes/Signature}} 07:13, 29 November 2009 (EST)
***** I agree. There should only be future sections when there is something to say about the future characters. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 18:44, 7 December 2009 (EST)
******I also agree, I think it's great to see how abilities can develop in the future. Providing we see adequate use of the future characters ability in an episode then it deserves its own section.  - {{User:Jenx222/sig4}} 18:53, 7 December 2009 (EST)</span>
*Why are we listing Future Hiro & especially Peter? I mean, if you list the two Future Peter's then you're gonna have to put Future Peter Petrelli (exposed and explosion) for EVERY ability we know the Future Peters had, why only STM? It's messy and unnecessary.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 13:06, 11 December 2009 (EST)
** Because Explosion Hiro and Exposed Peter used STM to go to the past and (DRASTICALLY) alter the course of time.  By doing this, their use of the power is very notable.  The other powers Peter had are less so because (for the most part), Peter had no additional powers in the future than he did in the past (body insertion and pyrokinesis being examples of exceptions) --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 13:34, 12 December 2009 (EST)
*** The usage is notable, and could be put in the notes section, but it isn't grounds to add the future version of the same character in the holders box. It still is logistically needless. If the Hiro of the present has the power, then any Hiro from the future must also have it, unless of course it had been stolen or suppressed or something at some point between the present and whenever future the respective Future Hiro/Peter/whomever is from, in which case there would be no need to add them to the page in the first place. I appreciate what you're saying about how they used it to make a difference, but that box is a list of separate characters who possess this ability- listing the Hiro and Peter that we now have, it has created: a)a duplicate of any specific character in that box and b) inconsistencies with all the other future characters from the series. As the poster above said, we don't list Future Matt in Telepathy or any other future character for that matter, so we shouldn't list Hiro and Peter here, unless we are going to add all the other Future versions of people for all the other abilities. It doesn't matter what they've done with the power, that box isn't the place for it to be acknowledged.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 16:21, 13 December 2009 (EST)
 
== Interacting with Objects in Frozen Time ==
 
Say Hiro punched someone in frozen time. Would the person move, but stay frozen (Like when he moved Ando in the wheelbarrow)? Further more, if he had tripped and Ando had fallen out of the wheelbarrow, would he have felt it when Hiro onfroze time?--[[User: Zaxbeez]]
*I think so.  Because even if time froze, and Ando hit his head falling out, it is still a blow to the head, and will probably cause a bruise.--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 13:38, 28 November 2009 (EST)
 
== The Negative Health... ==
 
Should it be mentioned as part of the ability in general that usage over time leads to negative health issues? We know that both Arnold and Hiro have developed brain tumours from using this power- Arnold now of course is deceased, and Hiro cannot use his power more than once anymore without having some kind of headache or nosebleed. Of course, we know that Peter and Arthur (and more specifically Future Peter who used this power all the time) developed no issues from using it but they all possessed Rapid Cell Regeneration so that makes sense. Sylar also mentioned that the usage of Hiro's power "must get tiring" and he understands how abilities work. What do people think? Is it worth mentioning about the ability in general- not just Hiro?--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 13:03, 16 December 2009 (EST)
*We don't know what caused Arnold's tumor, it just happened to be a brain one. Hiro's on the other hand, was caused because he started "bringing" people to his frozen time world. If he hadn't started doing that, it's likely Hiro wouldn't have gotten a tumor. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 13:28, 16 December 2009 (EST)
** Nobody said abilities won't have impact on your health. Especially if you mess with space-time continuum. I guess... it's still an alien environment for humans even if they can control it to some degree. {{User:Altes/Signature}} 13:54, 16 December 2009 (EST)
*** I think it's fair to make the point- two STMers, both develop Brain Tumours, one of them we know for sure as a result of mis-using the ability. Stands to reason that Arnold also developed the tumour this way- the carnies all knew that asking him to use his power was killing him faster, how many times must he have 'taken' Samuel and others with him? I think this is more than a coincidence. It's all stemming from this specific ability.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 15:01, 16 December 2009 (EST)
**** Taking people to other times is one thing, Hiro did that long before he got the tumor. We never heard of Arnold freezing time without freezing someone else, like Hiro did. Plus, Arnold is elderly, chances of getting cancer increases with age. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 15:39, 16 December 2009 (EST)
 
* Can someone show me where it said that its because of bringing people to the past or while using his ability? -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 07:26, 24 February 2010 (EST)
**It's one of those interviews everyone reads once, but can never find the link again when they look for it. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 10:57, 24 February 2010 (EST)
 
== Trimming ==
 
This page is enormous, there is no need to recount of every time people use this ability, that what we have example pages for. Anyone up for the trimming? [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 08:49, 12 January 2010 (EST)
* Could take a while, but sure why not? :) --{{User:Leckie/Signature 10}} 12:38, 12 January 2010 (EST)
*The "Hiro's partially restored ability" and "Hiro's weakened" sections are superflous, imo. They can be explained in a sentence or two in Hiro's section.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 15:35, 24 February 2010 (EST)
**I've removed the sections. If anyone feels that important information was lost, add it to Hiro's section of the page (if you must). There is no need for it to have its own category.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 15:45, 24 February 2010 (EST)
 
== Navbar ==
 
Dunno how to fix it, but there's a red link in the abilities navbar that's a category up for deletion that someone made. I don't know how to remove it though. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 15:48, 24 February 2010 (EST)
*I undid my recent edits to see if it would correct itself, but no luck. It apparently is linked on this page and terrakinesis, even though I can't find it on either page.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 15:58, 24 February 2010 (EST)
**It seems to be all the abilities. It's really annoying me now... --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 16:00, 24 February 2010 (EST)
***The person who made the category added it to the ability category, that's why it was showing. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:06, 24 February 2010 (EST)
 
== Teleporting Vertical ==
 
The episdoe when Ando saved the little girl's cat, I was thinking couldn't Hiro teleport up onto where the cat was.--50000JH 12:17, 18 March 2010 (EDT)
*Hiro's powers were still on the fritz at that point, it wouldn't have been safe for him to do that. --'''[[User:Ricard Desi|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 12:40, 18 March 2010 (EDT)
 
== Superspeed and STM ==
So Daphne is fast enough to be normal-speed when Hiro freezes time.  If Nathan could fly fast enough, would it have the same effect? --{{User:Boycool42/sig1}} 17:43, 24 May 2010 (EDT)
*Not necessarily. Daphne's ability affects all movement, so it's easy for her to interact with Hiro while time is frozen. Nathan'd have to be flying the whole time and his reaction time may not keep up with his speed.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 18:06, 24 May 2010 (EDT)
 
== Unknown ==
 
As they say in doctor who, time whiney: So, we know the first time June 13th happened, that Nathan aka Tommy and Malina were traveled back in time by another evo with space-time manipulation; we know, that the younger Hiro was trapped, at that point then, in the game "evernow" and as he told Miko's dad, I've not time traveled in ages, unless he was lying, and was the one to time travel 14/15 years ago, and then traveled back to 13th June 2014 in order where, he needed to be before, he was trapped in the game.
I know all of this, sounds confusing, but Hiro couldn't use his ability in "evernow" and Nathan and Malina are 15 years old, when, Hiro was in the game([[User talk:Masterofgravity|talk]]) 09:30, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
* I think it's basically predestination.  From the perspective of June 13th 2014 the present day Hiro was destined to become trapped, "future" Hiro, having just been freed, was destined to come back and take Nathan and Malina back 15 years prior.  So essentially there wouldn't be a first or second June 13th, it'd be the only one.  ([[User:Admin|Admin]] ([[User talk:Admin|talk]]) 11:36, 30 October 2015 (EDT))
* I think it works both by predestination/concurrence of the timelines and also the sequential timelines point of view. The Hiro that said he had not time-traveled in ages was the original Hiro that becomes trapped in Evernow, while the Hiro that returns from Evernow and time-travels into the past is the one to take baby Nathan (Tommy) and Malina back into the past in the current timeline. In a timeline that isn't shown where Hiro has yet to return from Evernow, it's possible someone else takes baby Nathan and Malina back into the past... perhaps present-day Noah/Angela got one of the employees of Renautas that was using Hiro's recently acquired ability to help in the first timeline where Noah had not yet time-traveled to the past. Primatech could have had people on the inside and/or other time-travelers.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 12:22, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
** I'm not so sure about predestination, but I do think we've been watching the "new" timeline all along. Molly knew Noah had to go back in time: "If I tell you, you won't go back and then we're all dead anyway." - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 13:07, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
*** I agree with Josh about watching only the "new" timeline. There is a point when the Evernow-freed Hiro fights with some of the Harris clones, and Hiro appears to stop time and then pop in and out of frozen time a few times. I think this is showing Hiro as trying to find a way to defeat Harris due to the time ripples. I imagine that in the offscreen time, he tries different methods to stop the Harris clones and succeeds, only still to fail to stop all the bombs and/or to cause a worse problem, so Hiro then comes back and stops himself. I think it's just unfortunate that Hiro's outfit wasn't noticeably altered from fighting in between these time jumps so that it would be more clear, but as far as we know Hiro cannot "sense" the butterflies his ability causes without actually having experienced them.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 15:01, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
**** Heroes has always had inconsistent and paradoxical time travel, but we can somewhat follow what happened here. In timeline one: The twins are still babies, Renautas probably catches them. Someone, we don't know who, maybe Noah, rescues Hiro. Hiro goes back in time to stop Renautas. Time line two: similar to what we saw in [[June 13th, Part One]], but possibly with past Noah. Hiro takes the twins back into the past. Timeline three: The twins grow up in secret. Past Noah is with the baby twins. After Hiro leaves, past Noah has his memory wiped. This is the timeline we see. Noah goes with Hiro this time. Timeline four: The one we are now in (actually several more because of " butterflies" but there is no major change). -[[User:Level|Lөv]][[User talk:Level|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level|l]] 20:50, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
 
== Dahlia ==
 
Dahlia has been shown only able to manipulate time, imo she should be removed from this article and an article just for Time Manipulation should be created. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] ([[User talk:Snow Leapord|talk]]) 14:20, 24 November 2015 (EST)

Latest revision as of 19:20, 24 November 2015

Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
Episodes
2. Near-canon Sources Webisodes,
Graphic Novels,
iStories,
Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources Episode commentary,
Interviews,
Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities Descriptions
6. Possessor's name If no non-speculative
description is possible
Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine space-time manipulation's name.
Source/Explanation
Hiro's ability is explicitly listed on the file Nathan gives The President (Dual).
Archives Archived Topics
Jan 2007-Mar 2009 [[Talk:Space-time manipulation/Archive 1#

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Empathic Mimicry

When Peter meets Future Hiro on the Subway train I think he is uneffected by the Space/time manipulation because he absorbed it unintentionally from Hiro not because Hiro left him unfrozen this is only my own opinion I don't mind if you don't agree BrainRemovalMan 15:36, 9 May 2009

Is this why the page says Future Hiro is able to selectively include others in freezing time? We've seen him do this with Noah Bennet in Heroes Reborn but I can't remember him doing it in the original series. I agree with Ryangibsonstewart; it always seemed to me like Peter stayed unfrozen because he absorbed the ability. --Tikalal (talk) 08:58, 31 October 2015 (EDT)

Danko Reaction in "An Invisible Thread"

--50000JH 13:01, 27 May 2009 (EDT) Hiro stops time once more to take the tranquilizer from him and injects Danko with it. Hiro reverts time and then collapses. When Danko was about to insert Noah with the tranquilizer, the tranquilizer disappears and Danko looks quickly. If Hiro stops time would we see him physically take the tranquilizer from Danko. As both Noah and Danko were not frozen. as they previously were in the cell. 50000JH

The scene was shown in the perspective of Noah and Danko, just because they didn't show Hiro taking the tranquilizer doesn't mean he didn't, the "viewers" were also frozen in time, so to speak. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:53, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

Hiro's Illness

Why do you guys think Hiro's now "sick" from regaining his ability? To put an extra limitation on his abilities, perhaps?--ERROR 19:15, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

  • All we know via Mohinder is that Hiro's body is rejecting the ability, don't know how that'll be in Season 4, but it shouldn't last long. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:17, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
    • Perhaps there's more to Arthur's or Baby Matt's powers than meets the eye... Perhaps they are the antithesis of each other and not to be used on the same subject. Maybe Baby Matt's ability has a limit or expiration date on the subjects he uses it on. Do you guys think any of these theories are plausible?--Anthony Gooch 19:35, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
      • Well, Mohinder said that it's like Hiro's body is normal human, so it's a strain for it to have an evolved human ability, so I think that it's just Matt's ability not being strong enough, since he's just a baby. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:04, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

Hmmm... Yeah, I know about the whole "Your body is rejecting these abilities" thing. What I'm trying to ask is, "Why are the writers doing this?" I should have been more specific...--ERROR 13:07, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

  • Perhaps they're bored or can't think of anything else to do with Hiro for the time being.--Anthony Gooch 13:27, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

If you inject Hiro with Claire blood or find a heal like Linderman then I wonder if the ability be there but the side effects would fade.50000JH

  • Look, I have an idea. In the exposed future Hiro had his power stolen and partially restored by baby Matt, and poor Hiro bled from everywhere. When Ando blasted him with red lightning, he supercharged Hiro's imperfect ability, which killed him - maybe his brain exploded or something. My thought is: Hiro must not be supercharged, or he will die. -- Altes 03:25, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

Nice theory.--ERROR 18:49, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

  • Ishi, his owner mother, damned him with the tumor, the kiss of death! lol, just joking :p -- (WaterRatj) 19:01, 7 December 2009 (EST)

Time traveler's possible death

Not so long ago I thought: if a time traveler goes to 2432 or 1885 and dies there, what would be his/her date of death? For example, Hiro. Forget he cannot time travel anymore. He was born in about 1980. Imagine the words on Hiro's grave: "HIRO NAKAMURA. 1980-1885". Nice, eh? -- Altes 08:27, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

time manipulation fast forward and speed time up

If Hiro was in a cue could he do the opposite of reversing time or slowing down time. I was reading time travel section and it had multiverse is like a video player in that it can rewind and fastforward [50000JH]

Space manipulation

Hiro old abilities include: folding time, time tavel; folding space, teleportation and time manipulation reversing, slowing and stopping time. His old should let him manipulate space, dimensions, relativity, the black holes that are created with gravitational manipulation and gravity as it is considered space and time manipulation.50000JH

Space-Time Manipulation does not include teleportation...

After reading through the latest I story, Hiro is teleported with Rachel Mills and says "I prefer bending space." To me this says that Hiro's teleportation is not particularly like Rachel's. Does anyone else understand what I'm saying? --mc_hammark 08:38, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

  • I'm guessing that when Hiro fold time and space, that the location that he is in and the location that he is going in over lap, so the places comes to him but he doesn't go to the place, but he keeps other stationary when he does it and it like a box that he created. Where as Rachel teleportation the place does not come to her but she goes to it. I know it sounds odd. 50000JH
    • True, it does sound odd (lol), but that does make some sense.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 16:47, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Interesting, an aspect of Hiro's ability isn't the same as Rachel's... Maybe they work differently? AltesUTC CH
        • Folding space the person can transfer longer distances, Ando supercharged Rachel ability this be folding space.50000JH
          • You didn't get it. What was said implies that while Hiro's ability folded space to let him go places, Rachel's ability doesn't do the exact same thing, even though it ends up having a similar effect. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 21:17, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

Daphne's question to Hiro...

...in The Second Coming, Daphne asks Hiro that if he stops time in one place does it stop in another. Well, in Hiros, when Future Hiro stops time on the train, it seems to keep going for present Hiro as I'm sure he would have wondered why it had suddenly stopped and we would have seen something like that. --mc_hammark 15:43, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

  • It may stop time, but they may not know it. For instance, the time (as in clock) stops, but only Future Hiro and Peter can sense the "stopping" they are the only ones that can feel it. The whole world stops, BUT them. When Hiro stopped time in this last volume, once with Baby Matt, and another with Ando. With both, Hiro touched both of them and then they could move with Hiro. But (like the time with Baby Matt) when Hiro carried Ando all around town in the wheel barrow, everyone else was frozen. Only the people that it affects, effects time for them. The others don't realize it. Even their thoughts freeze. (Freeze as in put on hold not Tracy's power) --Iheartheroes 16:14, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
    • According to BTE, time does stop everywhere... And what was the present-day Hiro doing when Future Hiro stopped time? AltesUTC CH
  • What I think she said was "If you followed me to Bangkok, would time stay frozen in Tokyo?". --Leckie -- Talk 12:29, 21 January 2010 (EST)
    • yeah, i know that was the question, but what I was asking before was, if time stopped everywhere, would any other hiro in that timeline stop with the rest of humanity, or would he "step-out" of time as well... and as of OUATIT we know that any other hiro does stop. --mc_hammark 12:39, 21 January 2010 (EST)

In the second coming...

...when hiro reverses and speeds up his clock why doesn't ando and the family lawyer come in at super speed to talk to hiro? Surely if he speeds up time to a point after that he would see ando and the lawyer come in even if just for a few seconds. Doesn't make sense to me... --mc_hammark 16:18, 9 September 2009 (EDT)

Hiro, Frozen in time

Anorld or Peter can only save Hiro, the only question is will Peter pick the same thing that Hiro has got witch is slowly killing him? 50000JH

Recent interview with Masi Oka

He said Ando was the first one Hiro stopped time with, but in fact, it was baby Matt (Cold Snap). Also, it didn't look to me like Hiro brought Suresh in the frozen time (An Invisible Thread). AltesUTC CH

HIro's restored ability

You know, he may have it all back and just hasn't teleported yet. Think about it: he time traveled into the past, but his time travel took him to the carnival so he may have regained teleportation for that to have happened unless that's just an aspect of his time travel.--WarGrowlmon18 15:32, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

  • If he moved to a different place, he teleported. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:47, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
    • He did seem to as he time traveled directly to that carnival and I seriously doubt that was at Yamagato, but beyond that during his time traveling, he still hasn't displayed it seperatly unless that's what he used when he disappeared there at the end of Acceptance. I say we leave it as is until we get some kind of confirmation he got that part of his ability back. I got the idea from Wikipedia and wanted people's opinions on this matter.--WarGrowlmon18 17:15, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
      • No, I think rather than explicitly saying that he hasn't gotten his teleportation abilities back, we should just not say anything about it at all. That would be a much better choice. That way, it doesn't matter if we're right or wrong because we haven't said anything. But if we say that he hasn't gotten the ability back, and he actually has, then we're wrong. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:50, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
        • I'd say just leave it as is for now. I don't think there's anything that says he hasn't gotten it back and leave his page the same where it says just partaily restored because as far as we know, that's the truth until we actually see him teleport somewhere besides through time.--WarGrowlmon18 18:17, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
          • He's teleported to peter's apartment.Gamerelite1 22:33, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

Control

I don't think Hiro is (consciously) controlling his ability. They showed Ando mentioned that he can't control his power in the recap. Hiro showed no indication of trying to use his ability; he just disappeared like in Orientation. - Josh (talk/contribs) 19:00, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

  • Yeah but its been some time since Orientation and Jump, Push, Fall (enough for Noah to have recovered and Peter to have rescued many people with his super speed). Hiro probably practiced and regained control of his time travel ability off-screen. Ando said that after Hiro returned from the past which Hiro indeed couldn't control at that time, but he'd just got his power back. Not everything is done on-screen and he time traveled 47 times. I seriously doubt he could have done that without control. I think he managed to gain control of it again probably through practice. When he time traveled in Orientaion and Jump, Push, Fall he couldn't control when he'd leave and come back, but he definitly seemed to control that here. I think he can control it now again. Remember it did take Peter awhile to control his new power when he got it. Hiro could control stopping time immediatly because that's easy, but time travel takes a lot more work and control as he has to specificly focus on where and when he wants to go. He was a bit out of practice when he got it back and that could have contributed to that also. His disappearence may have to do with his illness and the effects it has on his power: he got frozen in time using it because of the illness remember??? Well he did have one of his headaches just before disappearing so that probably caused that.--WarGrowlmon18 20:21, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Actually it looked like he was accidentally teleporting. Every time takeshi would jump, hiro would scream something about being able to save him, then teleport. It didn't look like he was purposely doing it either. He just started jumping through time.

SINCE there is a part of the brain that controls abilities, it can be assumed that a tumor could develop in or near it. If Hiro's tumor is in that node of the brain, it's possible that large enough changes in it's state would trigger abilities against Hiro's will or cause his ability to malfunction. My money's on the fact that this IS the case. Also this tumor could be crossing wires, causing the paths to certain memories to, given stong enough voltage, to stimulate the bit that causes a teleportation.--SacValleyDweller (talk) 00:37, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

The Physics of Stopped (Incredibly slowed down) Time?

My main question of this is if Hiro froze time, then moved across the room, would he push the air molecules out of the way? And if he did, when he unfroze time, would he cause a thunder crash from the molecules crashing together? Also, would there be either no friction and gravity? Like if Hiro pushed someone sitting in a chair, would they hover there? -- Zaxbees 22:55, 28 October 2009

  • Artistic license. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:43, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
    • I think that when Hiro stops time, he creates a dimensional bubble around himself that allows time to continue normally. This is why he is able to breathe and not suffocate as the air molecules would be very stiff. So he is free to walk around and interact with objects in frozen space, and if he manipulates them enough can bring them into his regular time bubble. At least that's how I tell myself he's doing it, see if it works for you. -Barbedknives (talk)13:47, 5 November 2009 (EST)
      • I would say that either he's immune to the harmful effects of his ability, or that he extends his ability, at least partially, to the things he interacts with. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:09, 5 November 2009 (EST)
        • The numerous flaws inherent in the concept of 'freezing' time extend beyond what a 'dimensional bubble' would solve. Everything outside of this bubble would be in pure black darkness, for instance, as light waves would stop moving. So I think it's best to go with the 'artistic license' point, and not worry too much about what is and isn't affected by time stopping in this respect. --EkimCF 15:35, 29 November 2009 (EST)
          • Not exactly. It's been stated by the writers that Hiro doesn't actually freeze time, he just slows it down to an extremely tiny fraction of it's normal speed. And from his perspective, time continues normally. Photons of light would still be traveling to their destination, albeit extremely slowly and from his dimensional bubble would still refract light into Hiro's cornea. Now shadows on the other hand would be tricky. Again the bubble theory is all speculation, because it hasn't been explained exactly what happens to Hiro when he slows time to a crawl. First of all, matter would be moving so slow as to reduce their temperature close to absolute zero. Secondly, the atmosphere is still made of matter, so if it is slowed incredibly it would mean that Hiro would have to trudge through the air as if it were a heavy goo, assuming he could breathe at all. Also, as you said light wouldn't travel into his eyes as fast but instead of being dark, he would just see a flash frame of the object as it were when he froze it. So for example, looking at a piece of paper on a desk in frozen time would look like a piece of paper. When you look at it in frozen time you'd see the desk, but as you walked over and bumped into it, it would still appear in it's same position when before you bumped it. It's crazy stuff, and obviously not what's happening in the show. -Barbedknives (talk)20:13, 11 December 2009 (EST)
            • Photons always travel at the speed of light; they cannot be slowed down. There's no problem with Hiro seeing when time slows down; light reaches his eyes normally. All thanks to Einstein's special relativity.--Referos 21:47, 11 December 2009 (EST)
              • Photons move at 300,000 kilometres per second, but if this second lasts for an hour, then photons will be slowed down too. You know, this reminds me of a Russian novel "Doomsday". The Earth flew into an area which slowed the light down, and everybody saw things which happened five minutes ago, and visible light spectrum was distorted. It was really weird. AltesUTC CH
                • Ok, sure, light can be slowed down depending on the medium, but that's not what happens when Hiro uses his ability. All inertial observers must see light travelling at the same speed, otherwise physics explodes.--Referos 09:58, 12 December 2009 (EST)

Question

Is it possible that if someone had used the time manipulation aspect so much that both parts would become broken (IE: slipping through time, flash forward time in years)? --TrueBlueBrooklynite 13:42, 5 November 2009 (EST)

  • It's hard to say exactly how it works, Hiro and Arnold seem to be effected by overuse of the ability but it's impossible to know how it affects the time-space continuum or whether the ability degrades after continuous use - Jenx222 | U / T / C 13:48, 5 November 2009 (EST)

Oh no! The writers broke this power

When future hiro used this power, past hiro was frozen in time. So users of this ability are only sometimes immune to time stopping?

  • Looks like it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:07, 5 November 2009 (EST)
    • Future Hiro's power is broken... maybe now it affects other STMers as well. AltesUTC CH
      • But it isn't broken. We found out the tumor is normal and that hiro is regaining control of his power. My guess is that young hiro isn't skilled enough to have an immunity yet. Gamerelite1
        • But Peter didn't freeze in the subway train when Future Hiro stopped time. However, he may be a different case because of his power... By the way, don't forget to add your signature. AltesUTC CH
          • I may be mistaken, but wasn't Past Hiro in the bathroom when Current Hiro stopped time? -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 09:10, 7 November 2009 (EST)
              • Yes. And future hiro walked up to him and unfroze time.Gamerelite1 22:37, 7 November 2009 (EST)

Axe

Can someone shrink down Hiro's section? It's monstrously huge. That's what we have examples pages for. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:51, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Future Hiro

  • Is the section about Future Hiro even necessary? I mean, we never mention the future versions of characters in abilities page (with the exception of people with multiple powers, since their future selves can have different abilities than their past selves). Electronic communication has no section for Future Hana. Telepathy has no section for Future Matt. Flight has no section for Future Nathan. Clairvoyance has no section for Future Molly. Super speed has no section for Future Daphne. But space-time manipulation has a section for Future Hiro? Besides, it is really weird that we have a section for Hiro from the explosion future but not from the exposed future.--Referos 18:14, 27 November 2009 (EST)
  • To me, future Hiro had a bigger part that any other future character. And I the exposed future hiro we saw was only seen for 10 seconds, being killed by future ando.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:20, 27 November 2009 (EST)
    • Peter from the exposed future also played a crucial role in season 3, yet we don't devote a section of empathic mimicry to him.--Referos 18:25, 27 November 2009 (EST)
      • I feel like anyone from the future who comes to the present (since they now impact the "primary timeline") should be listed. This means Hiro Nakamura (explosion future) and Peter Petrelli (exposed future). --Ricard Desi (t,c) 13:13, 28 November 2009 (EST)
        • I think there's a section for Future Hiro because he had much more control over his ability than Present Hiro. AltesUTC CH 07:13, 29 November 2009 (EST)
          • I agree. There should only be future sections when there is something to say about the future characters. - Josh (talk/contribs) 18:44, 7 December 2009 (EST)
            • I also agree, I think it's great to see how abilities can develop in the future. Providing we see adequate use of the future characters ability in an episode then it deserves its own section. - Jenx222 | U / T / C | <inlcudeonly>08:00, 7 January 2012 (EST) 18:53, 7 December 2009 (EST)
  • Why are we listing Future Hiro & especially Peter? I mean, if you list the two Future Peter's then you're gonna have to put Future Peter Petrelli (exposed and explosion) for EVERY ability we know the Future Peters had, why only STM? It's messy and unnecessary.--Evil Maldini 13:06, 11 December 2009 (EST)
    • Because Explosion Hiro and Exposed Peter used STM to go to the past and (DRASTICALLY) alter the course of time. By doing this, their use of the power is very notable. The other powers Peter had are less so because (for the most part), Peter had no additional powers in the future than he did in the past (body insertion and pyrokinesis being examples of exceptions) --Ricard Desi (t,c) 13:34, 12 December 2009 (EST)
      • The usage is notable, and could be put in the notes section, but it isn't grounds to add the future version of the same character in the holders box. It still is logistically needless. If the Hiro of the present has the power, then any Hiro from the future must also have it, unless of course it had been stolen or suppressed or something at some point between the present and whenever future the respective Future Hiro/Peter/whomever is from, in which case there would be no need to add them to the page in the first place. I appreciate what you're saying about how they used it to make a difference, but that box is a list of separate characters who possess this ability- listing the Hiro and Peter that we now have, it has created: a)a duplicate of any specific character in that box and b) inconsistencies with all the other future characters from the series. As the poster above said, we don't list Future Matt in Telepathy or any other future character for that matter, so we shouldn't list Hiro and Peter here, unless we are going to add all the other Future versions of people for all the other abilities. It doesn't matter what they've done with the power, that box isn't the place for it to be acknowledged.--Evil Maldini 16:21, 13 December 2009 (EST)

Interacting with Objects in Frozen Time

Say Hiro punched someone in frozen time. Would the person move, but stay frozen (Like when he moved Ando in the wheelbarrow)? Further more, if he had tripped and Ando had fallen out of the wheelbarrow, would he have felt it when Hiro onfroze time?--User: Zaxbeez

  • I think so. Because even if time froze, and Ando hit his head falling out, it is still a blow to the head, and will probably cause a bruise.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 13:38, 28 November 2009 (EST)

The Negative Health...

Should it be mentioned as part of the ability in general that usage over time leads to negative health issues? We know that both Arnold and Hiro have developed brain tumours from using this power- Arnold now of course is deceased, and Hiro cannot use his power more than once anymore without having some kind of headache or nosebleed. Of course, we know that Peter and Arthur (and more specifically Future Peter who used this power all the time) developed no issues from using it but they all possessed Rapid Cell Regeneration so that makes sense. Sylar also mentioned that the usage of Hiro's power "must get tiring" and he understands how abilities work. What do people think? Is it worth mentioning about the ability in general- not just Hiro?--Evil Maldini 13:03, 16 December 2009 (EST)

  • We don't know what caused Arnold's tumor, it just happened to be a brain one. Hiro's on the other hand, was caused because he started "bringing" people to his frozen time world. If he hadn't started doing that, it's likely Hiro wouldn't have gotten a tumor. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:28, 16 December 2009 (EST)
    • Nobody said abilities won't have impact on your health. Especially if you mess with space-time continuum. I guess... it's still an alien environment for humans even if they can control it to some degree. AltesUTC CH 13:54, 16 December 2009 (EST)
      • I think it's fair to make the point- two STMers, both develop Brain Tumours, one of them we know for sure as a result of mis-using the ability. Stands to reason that Arnold also developed the tumour this way- the carnies all knew that asking him to use his power was killing him faster, how many times must he have 'taken' Samuel and others with him? I think this is more than a coincidence. It's all stemming from this specific ability.--Evil Maldini 15:01, 16 December 2009 (EST)
        • Taking people to other times is one thing, Hiro did that long before he got the tumor. We never heard of Arnold freezing time without freezing someone else, like Hiro did. Plus, Arnold is elderly, chances of getting cancer increases with age. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:39, 16 December 2009 (EST)
  • Can someone show me where it said that its because of bringing people to the past or while using his ability? -- (WaterRatj) 07:26, 24 February 2010 (EST)
    • It's one of those interviews everyone reads once, but can never find the link again when they look for it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:57, 24 February 2010 (EST)

Trimming

This page is enormous, there is no need to recount of every time people use this ability, that what we have example pages for. Anyone up for the trimming? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 08:49, 12 January 2010 (EST)

  • Could take a while, but sure why not? :) --Leckie -- Talk 12:38, 12 January 2010 (EST)
  • The "Hiro's partially restored ability" and "Hiro's weakened" sections are superflous, imo. They can be explained in a sentence or two in Hiro's section.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 15:35, 24 February 2010 (EST)
    • I've removed the sections. If anyone feels that important information was lost, add it to Hiro's section of the page (if you must). There is no need for it to have its own category.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 15:45, 24 February 2010 (EST)

Navbar

Dunno how to fix it, but there's a red link in the abilities navbar that's a category up for deletion that someone made. I don't know how to remove it though. --mc_hammark 15:48, 24 February 2010 (EST)

  • I undid my recent edits to see if it would correct itself, but no luck. It apparently is linked on this page and terrakinesis, even though I can't find it on either page.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 15:58, 24 February 2010 (EST)
    • It seems to be all the abilities. It's really annoying me now... --mc_hammark 16:00, 24 February 2010 (EST)

Teleporting Vertical

The episdoe when Ando saved the little girl's cat, I was thinking couldn't Hiro teleport up onto where the cat was.--50000JH 12:17, 18 March 2010 (EDT)

  • Hiro's powers were still on the fritz at that point, it wouldn't have been safe for him to do that. --Ricard Desi 12:40, 18 March 2010 (EDT)

Superspeed and STM

So Daphne is fast enough to be normal-speed when Hiro freezes time. If Nathan could fly fast enough, would it have the same effect? --Boycool Two little mice fell in a bucket of cream. The first mouse quickly gave up and drowned. The second mouse wouldn't quit. He struggled so hard that eventually he churned that cream into butter and crawled out. Amen. 17:43, 24 May 2010 (EDT)

  • Not necessarily. Daphne's ability affects all movement, so it's easy for her to interact with Hiro while time is frozen. Nathan'd have to be flying the whole time and his reaction time may not keep up with his speed.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 18:06, 24 May 2010 (EDT)

Unknown

As they say in doctor who, time whiney: So, we know the first time June 13th happened, that Nathan aka Tommy and Malina were traveled back in time by another evo with space-time manipulation; we know, that the younger Hiro was trapped, at that point then, in the game "evernow" and as he told Miko's dad, I've not time traveled in ages, unless he was lying, and was the one to time travel 14/15 years ago, and then traveled back to 13th June 2014 in order where, he needed to be before, he was trapped in the game.

I know all of this, sounds confusing, but Hiro couldn't use his ability in "evernow" and Nathan and Malina are 15 years old, when, Hiro was in the game(talk) 09:30, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

  • I think it's basically predestination. From the perspective of June 13th 2014 the present day Hiro was destined to become trapped, "future" Hiro, having just been freed, was destined to come back and take Nathan and Malina back 15 years prior. So essentially there wouldn't be a first or second June 13th, it'd be the only one. (Admin (talk) 11:36, 30 October 2015 (EDT))
  • I think it works both by predestination/concurrence of the timelines and also the sequential timelines point of view. The Hiro that said he had not time-traveled in ages was the original Hiro that becomes trapped in Evernow, while the Hiro that returns from Evernow and time-travels into the past is the one to take baby Nathan (Tommy) and Malina back into the past in the current timeline. In a timeline that isn't shown where Hiro has yet to return from Evernow, it's possible someone else takes baby Nathan and Malina back into the past... perhaps present-day Noah/Angela got one of the employees of Renautas that was using Hiro's recently acquired ability to help in the first timeline where Noah had not yet time-traveled to the past. Primatech could have had people on the inside and/or other time-travelers.--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:22, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
    • I'm not so sure about predestination, but I do think we've been watching the "new" timeline all along. Molly knew Noah had to go back in time: "If I tell you, you won't go back and then we're all dead anyway." - Josh (talk/contribs) 13:07, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
      • I agree with Josh about watching only the "new" timeline. There is a point when the Evernow-freed Hiro fights with some of the Harris clones, and Hiro appears to stop time and then pop in and out of frozen time a few times. I think this is showing Hiro as trying to find a way to defeat Harris due to the time ripples. I imagine that in the offscreen time, he tries different methods to stop the Harris clones and succeeds, only still to fail to stop all the bombs and/or to cause a worse problem, so Hiro then comes back and stops himself. I think it's just unfortunate that Hiro's outfit wasn't noticeably altered from fighting in between these time jumps so that it would be more clear, but as far as we know Hiro cannot "sense" the butterflies his ability causes without actually having experienced them.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:01, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
        • Heroes has always had inconsistent and paradoxical time travel, but we can somewhat follow what happened here. In timeline one: The twins are still babies, Renautas probably catches them. Someone, we don't know who, maybe Noah, rescues Hiro. Hiro goes back in time to stop Renautas. Time line two: similar to what we saw in June 13th, Part One, but possibly with past Noah. Hiro takes the twins back into the past. Timeline three: The twins grow up in secret. Past Noah is with the baby twins. After Hiro leaves, past Noah has his memory wiped. This is the timeline we see. Noah goes with Hiro this time. Timeline four: The one we are now in (actually several more because of " butterflies" but there is no major change). -Lөvөl 20:50, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

Dahlia

Dahlia has been shown only able to manipulate time, imo she should be removed from this article and an article just for Time Manipulation should be created. --Snow Leapord (talk) 14:20, 24 November 2015 (EST)

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