Talk:Alejandro's ability

Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
1. Canon Sources	Episodes
2. Near-canon Sources	Webisodes, Graphic Novels, iStories, Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources	Episode commentary, Interviews, Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities	Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities	Descriptions
6. Possessor's name	If no non-speculative description is possible
Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine the name for Alejandro's ability.

Healing?

I'd be careful about saying Alejandro "healed" himself and Maya. He made the tears go away, but there's no reason to believe that either of them was actually harmed by her power.--Hardvice (talk) 20:19, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

• I've been seeing that a lot of places, and I agree. Maya seems distressed by her eye gunk, but never sick or dying...and something tells me Dania's terrific acting is motivated more by the thought of killing innocents and less by the blackness inside her. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:23, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
  • I have a possible name for his ability. Viral Healing? Disease Absorbtion? Viral Absorbtion? Jason Garrick 22:14, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
    • We don't know enough about the powers. We don't know it's viral, we don't know it's a disease, etc. I'm sure we'll learn more about it, they ARE going to see Suresh.--Riddler 22:15, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Forgive my speculation, however, it does not appear that Alejandro heals Maya’s victims, it appears that with concentration Alejandro can take Maya’s "eye gunk" and create anti-bodies that removes the sickness from the people in the surrounding area --Matthew 18:17, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

Maybe we can call it....

• In hindsight, I think "Poison supression" would actually be a decent name for this power, which will work it up one step on the "naming policy" chart. It took Maya's power getting a real name for this one to have one that would make sense, though. --Ted C 09:19, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
• "supression"? After all, that's what's he doing: Suppressing Maya's power from working. Or, too be less speculative, "Maya's ability suppresion". --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 11:37, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
• Bump. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 23:51, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
• It's easier just to call it "Alejandro's ability" for now, until we get further details. It's never indicated that supressing is what he does; he seems to be both immune to Maya's ability and able to absorb it into himself somehow. That's not supression. The name is fine as is for now. -- Paronine 23:54, October 31 2007 (EDT)
  • Well said. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:56, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
• I think instead of 'Maya's ability suppression' we should go for 'mayasuppressokinesis'. Sounds cooler. :)--Yamawhata? 20:46, 6 December 2007 (EST)
  • Oh yeah, that one sounds swell :gag: LOL. Random guy 20:52, 6 December 2007 (EST)

In light of recent events...

Namely Alejandro dying, I doubt we are going to see many more examples of this ability. Should we consider actually naming it, or just stick with "Alejandro's ability"? -- Lulu (talk)

• I'd stick with Alejandro's ability for now.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:43, 27 November 2007 (EST)
  • Agree. We haven't named it because we don't know enough about how it works or what it would be called. If it doesn't show up again, we won't know anything more. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:07, 27 November 2007 (EST)
    • Although, hasn't Maya learned to use "Alejandro's ability" per "Truth & Consequences"? PaulP 13:22, 29 November 2007 (EST)

An evolutionary human ability?

I think we should question if Alejandro actually has an ability in light of the recent episode. It appears to me that she just has the ability to calm down his sister, but she later learned how to control her own emotions. --Pinkkeith 10:14, 27 November 2007 (EST)

• Although that could be an option, I think the combined facts that a/Even when not actively calming Maya, Alejandro is apparently immune to the effect, and b/When he does calm her, he seems to absorb the tears into himself (they appear in his eyes as they vanish from hers, before vanishing entirely), both indicate that he was indeed doing something besides simply calming her. --Maelwys 11:08, 27 November 2007 (EST)
  • Agreed. If anything, Maya's ability to stop her power herself opens the possibility that they both had the same power, but each only really understood half of it. But since Alejandro is immune, he has some sort of power, even if it's just the power to be immune to his sister's power.--Hardvice (talk) 13:38, 27 November 2007 (EST)
    • Even if she was somehow being uncounsciously triggered to undo the effects, and it only appeared to be him undoing it; he still has the power. Why? Because in each case, everyone but him turned black when the plague was emitted, then only at curing time did he turn black then back to clear. If he were powerless, he would have followed the same progression as everyone else did, and as Sylar did when she reversed it on him. Alejandro was different and unique, and did have the power to counteract her power. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 11/29/2007 13:44 (EST)

Alejandro's anti-plague ability

• Perhaps we could call it "Plague negation", to link with Plague excretion?--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  16:17, 29 November 2007 (EST)
• I prefer plague exorcism, but that's probably way more speculative. --DocM 16:18, 29 November 2007 (EST)
  • I prefer "plague eradication", as that's what you normally say when you are trying to get rid of a plague. "Negation" isn't very specific, and is normally used as a logic/math term. There's also "plague abolition", but "abolition" is normally connotated as with the legal system.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:39, 29 November 2007 (EST)
  • Same here, Volty. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 17:57, 29 November 2007 (EST)
  • How about "invisible Kleenex" or "anastasiakinesis"?--E rowe (talk) 17:45, 29 November 2007 (EST)
    • lol @ "anastasiakinesis". I wonder how many people are picturing the cartoon about the tsarina?--Hardvice (talk) 18:17, 29 November 2007 (EST)
      • That's exactly what I thought of. LOL.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:42, 29 November 2007 (EST)
        • Plauge Supression seems reasonable, doesn't it? --Piemanmoo 19:59, 29 November 2007 (EST)
        • I second the name Plague Supression.--The Empath 20:11, 29 November 2007 (EST)
          • He's not suppressing the plague (despite what I said above), he's eliminating it. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 20:17, 29 November 2007 (EST)
            • To me, Alejandro appears to absorb the plague (his eyes turn black) and eradicate or destroy or whatever with his own body while it is inside of him (he gasps a lot and becomes exhausted).--Ice Vision 20:29, 29 November 2007 (EST)
              • Right, Alejandro absorbs it and eradicates it. The end result is the eradication.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:43, 30 November 2007 (EST)
• I don't think we have any canon, near-canon, or secondary sources for this power. There's also no common name, and no descriptive name that doesn't involve speculation. I think we're stuck with "Alejandro's ability"...until we hear somebody say something like "I miss him, he would suppress my ability" or "Remember that Alejandro guy? He sure was good at eliminating Maya's plague." Until then, this power name stands rooted firmly in Level 6 of our power naming conventions. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:42, 29 November 2007 (EST)
  • I disagree. We know for sure that he has an ability and that it works in conjuction with Maya's. We don't need to know whether or not his ability works only in conjunction with Maya in order to give it a descriptive name. Even if his ability was only to calm Maya down, he was still eradicating the plague. That is not speculation, we've seen that, and we can note our questions about whether the plague is a seperate entity or only part of Maya's ability under Limits. We can name this power now cause we have canon info. for Maya's ability's name as "plague emission".--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:43, 30 November 2007 (EST)
• No more plague! It's "poison" now, apparently. --Thrashmeister 21:40, 4 December 2007 (EST)
• Seriously, I don't care if we call it "poison negation," "poison exorcism," "poison suppression" or "flying pigs in a barrel that prevent poison from killing people." Just give it SOMETHING besides Alejandro's ability. LightSpectra 15:38, 13 December 2007 (EST)
  • What non-speculative name would you suggest? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:54, 13 December 2007 (EST)
    • I had suggested "antidote emission", but I guess that's speculative due to the lack of response. How about "poison immunity", cause Alejandro is never affected by Maya's ability?--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:10, 13 December 2007 (EST)
      • That works for the aspect of his ability that keeps him from being affected. But there's strong evidence that he also causes the poison to leave Maya's victims, and that name doesn't cover that aspect at all. In the end, since we really don't know exactly what Alejandro's ability is capable of (Is it just that he's immune? Does he actually cause the victims to have the poison leave them or not?), it's nearly impossible to find a name that covers all aspects of the power without being speculative. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:14, 13 December 2007 (EST)
        • Why can't "poison immunity" apply to other people the same way "flight" applied to Nathan and West? We don't know whether Nathan or West can cause other people to fly, but that doesn't stop us from saying that their power is "flight". We could just say in the description/limits section of "poison immunity" that it is unknown as to whether Alejandro can spread his "immunity" to temporarily work on other people by touching them, or whether it is limited to himself. I don't really understand the problem you have with that name.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:21, 13 December 2007 (EST)
          • There is no evidence that West and Nathan can make others fly--in fact there is strong evidence they cannot make others fly since they carry others. (However, "flight" would still work for the ability to make others fly.) There is strong evidence that Alejandro causes the poison to leave others or to be suppressed. If that's the case, then "poison immunity" would not cover that aspect of the ability. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:04, 13 December 2007 (EST)
            • I think you're splitting hairs, so to speak. If Nathan and West are carrying people through the air with them, isn't that technically "flying" them? Lets try a different and more relevant example. A vaccine can be used to offer someone temporary "immunity", so why can't Alejandro's ability be called "poison immunity"? There's no "self" implied.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:16, 13 December 2007 (EST)
              • I see, so you're suggesting we apply the word "immunity" to making others immune to the poison. I have never heard of a "temporary immunity", and I wouldn't really feel comfortable saying that Nidia was immune to the poison, even temporarily (if that's possible at all). I suppose we have different definitions of "immunity". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:21, 13 December 2007 (EST)
                • Take a look at Wikipedia:Artificial_induction_of_immunity#Temporarily-induced immunity. I can drum up some more official sources than Wikipedia if need be, but "temporary immunity" is commonly used medical expression.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:28, 13 December 2007 (EST)
• How about poison removal? --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 21:10, 13 December 2007 (EST)
  • Sounds just as good to me.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:17, 13 December 2007 (EST)
• What about naming the ability Panacea after the Greek goddess of cure? About how about naming Maya's power to Plague so that their powers would both be composed of only one word that start with a P.Edible8 01:25, 18 December 2007 (EST)
  • What about poison immunity? He appears immune to the disease and (speculation) immunizes people around him, curing them of Maya's disease long enough until Maya calms down?

Horrorman 8:35, 18 December 2007 MERRY CHRISTMAS

• • • Exactly,. it's speculation. I think our best choice is Poison Removal. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 11:06, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Is there really an ability?

As of "Truth and Consequences" we see that Maya is able to calm herself down. Perhaps all Alejandro could do was calm her down. He does seem to be immune to her "poison", but maybe he doesn't really have a power. I would reccomend keeping the article until we know for certain (which may be never), but perhaps this could go on the page, or theories page. ---- 16:41, 29 November 2007 (EST)

• I'm not sure if this was only from the spoilers, but I recall that it was stated that Alejandro has an ability and that Alejandro and Maya need each other's powers.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:48, 29 November 2007 (EST)
  • When Maya calls down around Alejandro, the camera pans to their hands holding, and stays there for a significant amount of time. Also, when Alejandro negates Maya's ability, you can see that Alejandro's normal eyes turn black (as if the plague is being transferred from Maya to Alejandro), and the effects are gone. I think there are a lot of clues that say that this really is an ability.--Ice Vision 16:56, 29 November 2007 (EST)
  • Sylar guessed that both have powers in The Kindness of Strangers. In any case, his immunity is a power of sorts itself.--Hardvice (talk) 17:40, 29 November 2007 (EST)
• I think Alejandro absorbs the poison then disperses an antidote in the air(i can't explain the resurrections)--Ionut

• Yes, there is an ability because:
  • • • First thing Alejandro didn't die when Maya accidentally poisoned all the people in the wedding party.
      • Another is, everytime Alejandro calm Maya down, his eyes darken for a sec and then he felt weak like something is going into his body and then disappears, showing that the poison emitted is gone inside him.NiveKJ13 18:19, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

Alejandro having the same ability as Maya

It's entirely possible that Alejandro had the exact same ability as Maya as Maya retracts her ability in the same way as Alejandro neutralized hers. They were twins. Caravaggio 23:45, 3 December 2007 (EST)

• I thought of that too, maybe they just learned at different ends of their ability spectrum... like if he were still alive what if he could give off a plague. And the whole holding each other's hands thing could have to do with the Ability Extension that we have an article on. But since we will never know for sure, i vote he has the ability of "Plague Eradication", or something along those lines--.Vault 17:51, 4 December 2007 (EST)
• To reply on Caravaggio, I had the same though, and I have posted what I believe is true under the theories of Alejandro's powers.
  • Hopefully we'll see next volume, now that Sylar's back. If he is able to use the Illusion ability then there's no reason he shouldn't also be able to use Alejandro's ability (since he potentially acquired both while sick), so we'll have to see what he's able to do next volume. --Maelwys 13:20, 5 December 2007 (EST)

• Perhaps though due to his inherent intuitive aptitude ability being inhibited, he may not have stolen the power properly, leaving the idea open that Sylar does not have those abilities.

Horrorman 14:03, 13 December 2007 (EST)

• • Yes... hence my 'if' clause. ;-) Since I'd expect them to demonstrate the Illusion power first, if we do see a demonstration of that it'll be safe to assume that he also has Alejandro's ability, so we can then keep an eye out for that was well. --Maelwys 14:29, 13 December 2007 (EST)
• I think that this is how it should be put down - that Alejandro has the same ability as Maya. From the interview link posted elsewhere on this page:

OK, let's get serious again. Peter Dawson wants to know more about our Latin twins. "Well Maya is certainly a freaky one! Should we be viewing Maya and Alejandro as having each gotten half of a power due to being twins or did they just somehow luck out by being born with powers to balance each other out? And can you give us some idea of what their power actually is?"

The twin theory seems to fit the bill. And we can certainly give you some idea as to what their power is. Lets, see. The easiest way is to step it out. How bout we do it in weekly installments. What are you doing, I dunno, Mondays at 9?

The fact that he says the twin theory (that they both got half of a single power) is valid and that he confirms that it is their power (note power is singular, indicating that it is one power shared by both, emphasis mine) seems to me strong evidence that Alejandro's ability and Maya's ability are one and the same, and would fit under the third tier of the naming prodcedure. --5of0 13:08, 27 December 2007 (EST)

• That's actually a quite compelling argument. You have me convinced. ;) --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 13:12, 27 December 2007 (EST)
• Two halves of a single thing does not mean that the two halves are identical. If one is the poison and the other is the antidote, then the two halves certainly work together and are complimentary and would still fit with the "twin theory", but the two parts are separate entities and are not the same. Further, we've seen Alejandro get emotional, and he has never once poisoned anybody. Maya has done so--numerous times. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:03, 27 December 2007 (EST)
  • I agree with Ryan. The twin thing is a "good-evil" thing. Poison and antidote. --Ice Vision (talk) 21:24, 27 December 2007 (EST)
    • I agree as well. Too bad we can't agree to call this ability 'antidote emission' as I suggested before.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:33, 27 December 2007 (EST)
  • I see how the two halves thing could work - but I was thinking about this some more today, and looking just at the facts and a point of general consensus on Alejandro's power:
    • Maya can poison people
    • Alejandro can reverse the effect
      • This reversal is indeed a "power" and not just calming down - his eyes turning black, his being immune, etc
    • Maya can now reverse the effect

  Depending on how you construe the power(s), the facts mean different things.

  Option 1: Single power, manifested differently in each twin

  If you go with the single power, manifested differently theory, it works without any extra steps - we've seen plenty of instances (Matt, Peter, Elle, Hiro...) of the heroes discovering new facets of their powers as time goes on, occasionally with help from other heroes (Peter and Claude, Matt and his father). Maya's "discovering" the healing facet of her power, with Sylar's help (providing necessity, which often has brought out new facets of powers - see Matt, Peter), would fit with previous occurences perfectly.

  Option 2: Separate powers, complementary to each other

  If you go with the seperate but complementary powers, it's a bit more difficult as I see it - somehow, Maya "gained" Alejandro's ability. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the only way that I know of that that could happen based on the show so far is if Maya was an empath - wouldn't that be a twist! Yes, there could possibly be other ways (being twins and all), but it hasn't been demonstrated as of yet. In the end, we won't know for sure unless Sylar a) doesn't kill Maya and b) uses Maya's half of the power.

  Maya's "real" or "primary" power?

  Another thing that is problematic to me with the complementary theory comes in naming Maya's power - no hero yet has had more than one power, unless that power is to somehow absorb other powers (Sylar's intuitive aptitude, Peter's empath). So if Maya has indeed absorbed another power (Alejandro's), she would have to have some other primary power, and the poison one would have to be secondary if we were going to be consistent (primary and secondary, btw, are my terms I just made up for original vs absorbed powers), and that would be the name of her power, and Alejandro's would still be Alejandro's Ability.

  Solutions?

  Any solutions to the problems I've outlined? Do I have a premise wrong, or am I interpreting the separate/complementary power theory incorrectly? I'm not opposed to them being separate, it would be a lot simpler that way, but I don't see a way around Maya "absorbing" another power, if they're seperate, and still having her power as her "primary" power.

  --5of0 03:46, 28 December 2007 (EST)

  • Well, now that's the whole point, isn't it? We really don't know enough about Alejandro's ability to name it anything other than "Alejandro's ability". Perhaps his power is simply that he can withstand Maya's ability, and the "reversal" part is actually just a natural calming influence he has on her (which Maya can now do by herself) and the "antidote" is not really a power at all. Or perhaps his power is that he can both withstand the poison and reverse its effects. In that case, Maya hasn't "absorbed" anything, she's just discovered that she and her brother have a similar facet of their complementary powers. It's really hard to say, isn't it? I'd like to give a more definite "yes, they're the same" or "no, they're completely different", but I can't. We simply don't know enough about Alejandro's power to say how it works, how exactly it fits in with Maya's power, or how we should name it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:36, 28 December 2007 (EST)
    • Nice summary, Ryan, but you left out that you also think that limiting the name to only what is non-speculative (poison immunity) is incorrect.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:52, 28 December 2007 (EST)
    • Okay, I'm good with just leaving it at "Alejandro's Ability," or possibly changing it to "Poison Immunity" but only with a note about his power being not fully known at this point or something. My main problem was renaming it to something that implies more about the power, one way or the other (which "Poison Immunity" still does to some extent, but the note would help rectify that). I still am of the opinion that they're the same, and skeptical of the "simply calming" theory. Alejandro's eyes darkening when he reverses the effect is telltale of that being a "power" to me; the overlapping powers I would be slightly more comfortable with, but it still feels contrived. But as you said, there isn't any definite evidence for either way yet, so my vote lies with it remaining as-is, probably until either a) They visit Suresh, b) Sylar uses Maya's ability while Maya is still alive (probably a longshot) or c) Tim Kring comes out and says "Oh by the way, Maya and Alejandro's abilities are _________" (not holding my breath). A sidenote that I forgot to mention, that isn't relevant at this point, but if they were the same, I like "Poision Manipulation" or something similar for a name, since the power would involve both poisoning others and reversing the effect. Or perhaps just give him Poison Emission too, as that now includes control of the emission, and would be easier ;) --5of0 14:00, 28 December 2007 (EST)
      • Of all the names you just mentioned there, the only two I object to are "Alejandro's ability", cause that's not really a name, and "poison emission", cause Alejandro hasn't been shown to emit any poison.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:41, 28 December 2007 (EST)
        • "Poison manipulation" is misleading. It sounds like Alejandro can create different poisons and stuff. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 16:21, 28 December 2007 (EST)
          • "Mental manipulation" is misleading too, but we use it. It makes it sound as if the Haitian can manipulate conscious thoughts, which isn't true; but it does cover both the power-blocking and memory aspects of his power. "Poison manipulation" can cover Alejandro's immunity and if he can extend it temporarily to others, that aspect of it as well.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:32, 28 December 2007 (EST)
      • Miami, thank you for your suggestion, but I didn't leave anything out--I responded to 5of0's comment as I wished, and I don't think I need to say everything I believe about a particular subject in a response. But even if I did, I wouldn't have included your input because I don't "think that limiting the name to only what is non-speculative (poison immunity) is incorrect". I don't think that "poison immunity" is non-speculative. But I'm still not sure what that has to do with my response to 5of0. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:50, 28 December 2007 (EST)
        • Sorry, Ryan, but I thought that point is important in the reply, as it appeared to me 5of0 was trying to cover all the possible suggestions. And it looks like I misunderstood you before. Do you doubt now that Alejandro has an immunity to Maya's power? What I understood before was that you believed "poison immunity" too limiting.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:04, 28 December 2007 (EST)
          • You're right, I think "poison immunity" is too limiting, and thus speculative to leave that as the name of his power since it implies that that's the only aspect of his power. I probably wasn't as clear as I could have been. Alejandro certainly has an immunity to the poison, so the term is not speculative, but I believe calling the entire power name "poison immunity" would be wrong. Just as calling Hiro's power "time travel" would be limiting, so would calling Alejandro's power "poision immunity". And because we don't know very much about Alejandro's power, I think it's also, in turn, speculative since it implies that that's all there is to it. We just don't know what to make of the reversal part. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:05, 28 December 2007 (EST)
            • Ah, what a little clarification does! I had read MiamiVolt's interpretation of your opinion as being that you were for "Poison immunity". Now that you've explained it, I am 100% with you on the poison immunity, which is why I wanted a note - I think it's too limiting, and implies that he doesn't have other power. Your analogy with Hiro is great. So in summary, until we have more evidence, we should just keep it like it is. --5of0 19:50, 28 December 2007 (EST)
          • ...and I'm sorry if I came off as a little harsh before, I probably misread your suggestion as being needling or provoking. My apologies if you didn't mean to be. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:07, 28 December 2007 (EST)
            • Thanks for clarifying and the apologies. I was just trying to point out something I thought was missed and where we still agree to disagree, and I was probably not as clear as I could have been either.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:46, 28 December 2007 (EST)

Helpful words

• I think Poison emission reversal would be a good name. Because he reverses the use of her powers and stops them. Then he can reverse the poison that is sent into other people. Other words could be : interception, nullification, cancellation etcJason Garrick 16:14, 5 December 2007 (EST)
  • Well I think the only real power Alejandro has is a immunity to his sister's power. Am I alone on this one? Random guy 21:34, 5 December 2007 (EST)
    • He has the power of decomposition, now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:46, 5 December 2007 (EST)
      • ^That took me a while to get, in my head I was saying to myself "What is he talking about?" and then I remembered "Oh yeah, He's dead! LOL!" nice one Ryan. Random guy 21:48, 5 December 2007 (EST)

Antidote emission

I am hoping that by the time Peter goes back in time in volume 3 and absorbs Alejandro's power (my wishful thinking at work ;)), it will actually have a name. That being said, I'd like to suggest "antidote emission" as the name for Alejandro's ability. In order to cure a poison, you have to develop an "antidote", and for all intents and purposes, Alejandro's ability was to be the antidote to Maya's poisoning. Whether or not the antidote cured anyone except for himself is a side issue, and wording it this way would not limit it to only being the antidote for himself without being speculative. The fact remains that sight-unseen to Maya, Alejandro was the only person at the wedding reception who lived and was unaffected by her power.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:30, 5 December 2007 (EST)

• I think I favor this name. I'm still waiting for an interview or an episode to give us a name... Grr... --Ice Vision (talk) 17:05, 28 December 2007 (EST)

Grammar

• "Intents and purposes", not "intensive purposes". Congratulations on discovering my Kryptonite.--Hardvice (talk) 01:30, 6 December 2007 (EST)
  • Ah, yes, good catch. It should indeed read "intents and purposes".--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:03, 6 December 2007 (EST)
    • I prefer "intensive purposes"--it just sounds more write. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:22, 6 December 2007 (EST)
      • I do apologize for sounding like such a jerk about this one, but it is seriously my number one pet peeve (so bad I do not even mention it along with the others, because then people will poke me with it). I am completely irrational about it. I've learned to just walk away from the Internet when I see it, which is in everyone's best interest, trust me.--Hardvice (talk) 23:24, 11 December 2007 (EST)
        • Sorry, I didn't mean to upset you. Thanks, though, for catching it; it wasn't intentional.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:41, 11 December 2007 (EST)
          • Golly, I wonder what would happen if I ate a potatoe? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
            • Spelling usually doesn't bother me as much (but see this). I'm weird like that.--Hardvice (talk) 01:03, 12 December 2007 (EST)
              • The problem is so many times people aren't corrected so they keep on mangling the expression. Most people stop after the first time they're corrected because they're embarassed and don't want to keep making the mistake. It's just a nice french benefit. (Admin 01:11, 12 December 2007 (EST))
                • Right. But my response is usually inappropriate. For example, I famously once got up and left during a (blind) date because of "intensive purposes". I just said "yeah, this isn't going to work", threw down some cash, and left.--Hardvice (talk) 01:27, 12 December 2007 (EST)

It is not an ability

He only seems to be able to make Maya calm down and reverse the effect their is no suggestion that he really has a poison negation ability because Maya in Powerless reversed the effect with the same eyes like Alejandro. horrorman 20:47, 11 December 2007 (EST)

• This has already been discussed... I'll just copy and paste what I said on the Talk:List of abilities page.

1. Alejandro is immune by Maya's power. During Alejandro's wedding reception, pretty much everybody is killed by Maya's power, except Alejandro. He is the only one who remains standing. Does that not say that he has a power?
2. Even if you say that Alejandro has an "immunity, but not a power", his eyes notably turn black when he touches Maya's hand and absorbs the poison/plague.

Alejandro has a power (stated by Sylar and confirmed by the writers).--Ice Vision 17:34, 10 December 2007 (EST)

• • what he said. SacValleyDweller (talk) 23:23, 11 December 2007 (EST)
• Perhaps Alejandro when he touches Maya causes him to become briefly affected to the plague Maya emits but being a blood relative (like Mohinder and Shanti), his blood may have resistance to the plague so his eyes glow briefly but disapear when Maya calms down. horrorman 12:35, 12 December 2007 (EST)
  • Not exactly. You're comparing apples and oranges. Mohinder's immunity was to a virus, not a power. Shanti's power was not the "Shanti virus" -- that's just a virus that Shanti got. Alejandro's immunity, however, is to a power, not a virus. Thanks to his ability, Alejandro is unaffected by Maya's power and is able to reverse its effects. Also, as I have stated before, the writers have already confirmed that Alejandro does indeed have an ability. I don't think there is anything else to say about this topic.--Ice Vision 13:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
    • Also however how do we not know that Shanti's ability is to create the virus? There may be no evidence yet to support this, but there is none to deny it, she had an ability (as far as we know). Also perhaps Alejandro's ability was a sort of advanced immunity excretion to viruses like a passive ability such as Claire's regeneration. When perhaps he touches Maya he calms Maya down so she can re-absorb the virus, but then Alejandro's ability takes effect, and gives the people infected immunity from the virus, saving them. --Horrorman 19:15, 15 December 2007 (EST)
      • You're right. It is possible that Shanti's ability is to create the virus. However, when Mohinder's mother describes how Chandra felt about Shanti -- "From the moment she was born, he was convinced that she was special. And she was special." (Seven Minutes to Midnight) -- she uses a tone that implies that Shanti had a beneficial ability. It wouldn't make sense for Shanti to be "special" if she can create a virus that causes her own death. That's just my opinion, though. Also, you're saying that Alejandro does have an ability, which is what I've been trying to say.--Ice Vision 19:37, 15 December 2007 (EST)

Ok I concede he has an ability, but it must be passive. Anyway about Shanti, just because her mother described her as special does not mean that the ability was meant to be beneficial, perhaps she was speaking from a memorial sense that her death made her special, in helping Mohinder find his destiny. Her ability may very well be the virus, and Mohinder's ability like Alejandro's (speculation) is a immunity excretion except Mohinder accesses it through transfusions (perhaps he doesn't know how to use his gift yet). Also Shanti's mother may have the typical parental belief that their children will do good, when we know that is not always the case.

Horrorman 22:09, 15 December 2007 (EST)

Vaccine Emission

could this be a good name? i mean he produces vaccine that counter acts his sister's Poison Emission in her and in other's instead of reversing it he vaccinates it .

Poison Immunity and Reversal

Could this be a good name? I don't think it is bad to use the word "and". And it accurately describes the power. He is immune to MAya and he can reverse her ability. Jason Garrick 23:15, 27 December 2007 (EST)

• That's just it, though, the administrators are not certain that he can reverse her ability or else we'd have a name already. I think I'd be willing to go with the dreaded "poison manipulation" now, but I don't see the name for this ability changing anytime soon.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:25, 27 December 2007 (EST)

Consensus check

OK, so we have a ton of name suggestions now, so I'm starting a vote. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 16:48, 28 December 2007 (EST)

Keep it "Alejandro's ability"

• Second choice. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 16:48, 28 December 2007 (EST)
• Anything else would be too speculative. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:32, 29 December 2007 (EST)
• If poison manipulation doesn't work. -- Horrorman 14:20, 29 December 2007 (EST)
• --Ice Vision (talk) 18:38, 29 December 2007 (EST)
• What Ryan said. Just not enough information to change it. ANy of the others is a fine name, but may or may not describe his actual ability. Is it restricted to Maya's ability? Can he affect other "poisons"? Can he affect diseases? Was his ability just immunity coupled with a non-superhuman ability to calm his sister? We don't know, and shouldn't guess.--Hardvice (talk) 14:14, 1 January 2008 (EST)
• My second choice, too. --Ted C 14:03, 4 January 2008 (EST)
• We don't know for sure how it does work. Let's wait. --  (talk) 18:10, 22 January 2008 (EST)
  • I don't think we can wait anymore. Alejandro's dead, and seems like Maya is also going to be.--NiveKJ13 (talk) 18:22, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
• I agree with RGS, all of the other options are speculations. --Pinkkeith 10:02, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Poison absorption

- For what it's worth, I liked this one. Not that it matters, you've all seem to make your choice on keep that boring name "Alejandro's ability"! Why don't we just name Meredith's ability "Meredith's ability" and Eric's ability "Eric's ability"(?) They're all wonderfully imaginitive(!!)--Isaac Mendez 15:04, 5 November 2009 (EST)

Poison immunity

• --MiamiVolts (talk) 17:05, 28 December 2007 (EST)

Poison manipulation

• Best describes it Horrorman 8:48, December 29 2007
• This is my first choice. --LeoChris 16:29, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Poison removal

• This is my first choice. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 16:48, 28 December 2007 (EST)
• My first choice as well. --The Empath 16:13, 29 December 2007 (EST)
• Second choice. --LeoChris 16:29, 30 December 2007 (EST)
• First choice. Guessing that it can do anything else is speculation, but we know for a fact that this is its primary function. --LightSpectra 18:31, 2 January 2008 (EST)
• The least speculative, in my opinion. --Piemanmoo 18:04, 22 January 2008 (EST)

Poison Immunity and Reversal

• Exactly describes it. Jason Garrick 15:30, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Poison Negation

• Just adding a little fuel to the fire, I suppose. He basically negated Maya's power, which has been named Poison Emission. --Ted C 14:03, 4 January 2008 (EST)
• Discussion long over, but this is the best. Ace ofspade 18:57, 5 March 2008 (EST)
• Sounds the most accurate to me. NuparuMahnika

Poison Emission Counteraction

I think Alejandro's ability should be renamed Poison emission counteraction. I know it's long, but it explains exactly what it is, the ability to counteract his sister's ability! - Anonymousheroine

• I second this actually. Jason Garrick 17:47, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
  • This consensus check is a bit...old. Anyway, Skywalkerrbf will be conducting an interview with Shalim Ortiz, and someone submitted a question asking him to name his character's ability. Let's just wait and see if he has an answer.--Referos 18:04, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
    • Yerp I was just about to say that, I thought asking him to name it would help this disscussion. --Skywalkerrbf 18:15, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

Stop the vote

• Since when are you allowed to start a vote? I think we should wait for administrator. Jason Garrick 17:06, 28 December 2007 (EST)
  • Anyone can call for a consensus check, but I doubt it's going to matter cause the administrators appear set against renaming the ability for now.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:09, 28 December 2007 (EST)
    • I should point out that this is not a vote on the name. As MiamiVolts correctly points out, this is a check to see if there is consensus on a single name (which there doesn't appear to be right now). This may seem like the same thing, but there are some differences between a vote and a consensus check. If everybody voted to call this power "poopy pants", it wouldn't fly, even if that name got the most votes. Therefore, we check for consensus. A majority does not always mean that name will be used, it just determines whether or not most people agree or disagree with a name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:23, 31 December 2007 (EST)

Remove rename

• This has been up for rename since around Christmas. There's no consensus, no new evidence, and lately no discussion. I'm going to remove the rename for now. If we get a better understanding of how his ability worked (via flashback, or if Sylar somehow turns out to have absorbed it), then we can try again.--Hardvice (talk) 04:28, 8 February 2008 (EST)
  • Good call. I forgot this was even still up for a vote. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:04, 8 February 2008 (EST)

rename

hey guys we don't have name for alejandro's ability , it would good if we had name for this interesting ability , from the show Poison eradication or poison absorbtion would be a good name , since this guy ded lets name the ability and we can rename if more of his ability is explained further, sounds like a good idea? --Zoga78 19:33, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

• There isn't consensus for the ability name so it remains unnamed. CBR is starting up again, and this would be a good question to ask.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:38, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

maybe his ability should be called VACCINE EMISSION.

• If Alejandro's power was a vaccine, it would give a permanent immunity besides healing Maya's poison. This is not the case, as Sylar was affected multiple times by her ability, even after being "vaccinated" by Alejandro.--Referos 19:50, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

I was wondering if anyone read the interview about the guy who played Alejandro that the name should involve something along the lines of neutralizer so POISON NEUTRALIZER would be the best choice. --Horrorman 11:56, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

An Attempt to EOA

Although there have been people involved in the production of the series saying outside the series that Alejandro had an ability, there is no evidence to suggest that inside the series itself. There is only circumstantial evidence. Alejandro's 'power' was that he and Maya shared an unconditional love. He was immune to her power because unconsciously she willed him immune. He was no more or less powerful than Ando or Noah is. In fact, he was essentially Maya's 'training wheels' and by the time Sylar killed him, she had enough self-confidence to control her ability herself. When season two is reviewed with this in mind, it's like watching the series anew, and the dynamic between Maya and Alejandro becomes much more interesting than before. It is my recommendation that pertinent information from this page be absorbed into the page describing Alejandro, and this page's URL redirect to the main character page for Alejandro, because he never really had an "ability" or "power" that warrants this page's existence. - ZachsMind 20:33, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

• Shalim Ortiz, the actor who portrays Alejandro, said in an interview that maybe Alejandro didn't have a "full power", but only some sort of genetic alteration that interacted with, and only with, Maya's ability. In any case, we don't know if Maya can choose whom she will affect, so it's speculative to say that she was "sparing" Alejandro.--Referos 20:49, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

I think the perfect name is "Poison Emission Alternation/ Reversion/ Conversion/ Confliction" ( / means "or")

• Alejandro is already dead, I don't think the writers is gonna have to come back to the past just to tell the name... NiveKJ13 11:15, 8 November 2008 (EST)

-since he can alternate Poison Emission, which is Maya's ability, then this would be the perfect name for it. and its what the definition overall tells...NiveKJ13 11:15, 8 November 2008 (EST)

and by the way, if you're gonna tell me "thats what people voted for", well, a lot of people voted for 'Puppet master' to be 'puppet mastery', but still you didn't follow the crowd... NiveKJ13

• I don't know what name you're nominating for consideration or what name you think is the "perfect" name for it. I also don't think any of those names address both aspects of Alejandro's ability: his immunity from the Maya's poison, and his ability to reverse Maya's tears. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:46, 8 November 2008 (EST)
• Just giving ideas, coz "Alejandro's Ability is not too much of a name. how bout Poison Emission Immunity and Reversion...too long but suits the ability...NiveKJ13
  • I'd rather not get into another name debate about this ability... but how about poison manipulation or poison emission manipulation? Just my two cents. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 12:11, 8 November 2008 (EST)
    • "Manipulation" means he controls it, but he doesn't, he just reverses it...NiveKJ13 12:14, 8 November 2008 (EST)
      • No, he doesn't just reverse it. He has an immunity to it and he allows Maya to control her ability. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 12:19, 8 November 2008 (EST)
        • He reverses eveything Maya does. If its manipulation, then he'll be controlling the poison emitted, like who to emit it to, just like "laser emission". So I think, it should be "Poison emission immunity and reversion", its long, but I think its the shortest if we wanna describe his ability as a whole.NiveKJ13 12:25, 8 November 2008 (EST)
          • The most accurate name I can think of is poison dispersion, but that doesn't cover his immunity to poison emission effects. PNullification, he nullifies the effects both in others and in himself? PNeutralization, making the poison harmless? PNegation, same as the two before? I'm out of ideas. Intuitive Empath 14:07, 8 November 2008 (EST)
            • Yeah, I think we all are...which is why the name of the ability is still "Alejandro's ability". I don't think it'll be changing. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:05, 8 November 2008 (EST)
              • Does the immunity part have to reflected in the ability's name ? Lots of people are immune to their own abilities and it isn't noted. Of course, it is their own, and Alejandro's ability is complex but isn't that what the description of the ability, in the article, is for ? I mean ... one could argue Daphne is immune to Hiro's ability. Should that be reflected in her ability's name ? Now, I know the name probably isn't going to change but I just felt like giving my opinion. --LeoChris 11:45, 9 November 2008 (EST)

"Poison emission immunity and reversion"

• He reverses eveything Maya does. If its manipulation, then he'll be controlling the poison emitted, like who to emit it to, just like "laser emission". So I think, it should be "Poison emission immunity and reversion", its long, but I think its the shortest if we wanna describe his ability as a whole.NiveKJ13 12:25, 8 November 2008 (EST)
  • I transferred the note to get people's attention, so that we'll know if what they think...XD NiveKJ13 12:31, 8 November 2008 (EST)
    • In my opinion, that name doesn't follow our naming convention. A primary goal of naming articles is clarity and simplicity. I think ignore simplicity when we have a five-word tongue twister. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:10, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Shalim interview

• Skywalkerrbf what did Shalim say?? NiveKJ13 12:35, 8 November 2008 (EST)
  • Shalim called it the "healer," or the "neutralizer." Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 13:34, 8 November 2008 (EST)
    • We also typically don't base ability names on quotes from interviews with actors--they're not the ones who create the ability. It might be a starting point for a discussion (which we've had no problem starting discussions about the name), but it's certainly not a canon name, and I would hesitate to call it even a reliable source, to be honest. (Nothing against Shalim Ortiz or other actors, of course.) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:41, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Assignment Tracker Map

• I found the information in the Assignment Tracker. It written, "Has the ability of 'Poison Emission Neutralization'. He can alter his sister's powers and be immune from it." (The "emission"'s spelled wrong though Witchy2006 17:34, 10 November 2008 (EST)
  • This is over at last. Intuitive Empath 17:41, 10 November 2008 (EST)
    • Yes, its over, but it seems too long, don't you think lolz Witchy2006 17:43, 10 November 2008 (EST)
  • Nice find. I'm okay with fixing the spelling of the name, especially since his sister's ability's name is spelled correctly.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:44, 10 November 2008 (EST)
  • Er, I had a quick look to verify it, and nothing's there - not even a unverified tip.--BardinessBoy 17:49, 10 November 2008 (EST)
    • I haven't been able to load the assignment tracker map today. I assumed it was a verified tip based on it having a photo of Alejandro. Witchy, is it still on the map?--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:58, 10 November 2008 (EST)
      • This image is of an unverified tip. It's not the right color. It's been removed from the map. Somebody tried really hard to fake a source. Not cool. (Not spelled right, either.) All the changes should be reverted pending an actual source and not a fan-created source. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:15, 10 November 2008 (EST)
        • I don't think that the person who faked this tip necessarily acted maliciously. Remember that Evs asked players to post tips that could be real; maybe Witchy2006 just saw a tip created by a player who followed Evs's order and forgot to check if it was verified or not.--Referos 15:54, 12 November 2008 (EST)
          • I think "nuetralizer" should br good or "antidoe" cause in every poison (maya) that was made ther has to be a coresponding cure (alejandro) with it, they're twins right. 'Poison Emission Neutralization' was long but if that was really on Alejandro's assignment tracker map i have no objection on it. But shouldnt we change the name now?--Darkfiremaster13 22:26, 8 December 2008 (EST)
• I actually have no idea about what a "verified" or "unverified" tip is. The thingy is gone now, I was just messing around that time in the Assignment Tracker when I saw the tip, so I thought it was real, coz you guys keep talking about the Assignment Tracker when you decide names, and since thats in the AT, then I thought maybe its real. I knew it was fake, the spelling's wrong LOL Witchy2006 18:55, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Rename: Poison Absorption

• The ability should be renamed Poison Absorption. This site describes it as “Ability to: Counteract his sister’s ability.” After we’ve called Maya’s ability Poison Emission, the perfect antonym is Absorption. Gray Knight
  • The census names do have flaws (in my opinion).- 1:Poison eradication – he does destroy it but it glosses over the fact that his immune system destroys it that implies it’s like a external power. 2:Poison immunity – he’s not just immune to it he takes it into himself. 3:Poison manipulation – he can’t really control it he just takes it into himself. 4: Poison removal – Yes but it goes into him, as seen with the black eyes. 5:Poison Immunity and Reversal – Yes but too long. 6: Poison Negation – to vague in my opinion. 7:Poison Emission Counteraction - too long but will probably end up being canon eventually(or my sugestion)but until then Poison Absorbtion is accurate.- Gray Knight
  • The only other thing that hasn’t been suggested that does have some relevance is Poison Diffusion as the BBC says in passing “Alejandro, her brother, has the ability to diffuse Maya's power.” Tough it does list his power on his page as “SUPERPOWER: His ability is linked with Maya's” so trusting it may not be a good idea.
    • Man, everyone needs to sign their posts. Anyway, I agree that most of the suggested names are inappropriate for the power at hand. Perhaps "antidote emission"? --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:15, 24 December 2008 (EST)
    • Antidote emission implys he realeases an antidote were i think he abosorbs rather than releases- Gray Knight
    • I don't think poison absorption is that bad. I wouldn't mind a rename to that. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:17, 24 December 2008 (EST)
      • Wound up responding to the second bit and forgetting the first; I'd support "poison absorption". --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:19, 24 December 2008 (EST)
        • I also agree with the renaming to Poison absorption. There is no speculation in this name, because whenever Ando does use his ability his eyes black over showing that he does now have the poison in his system. Also if someone doesn't have the poison in their body for too long he's able to "absorb" it thus allowing for the victim to fully recover. --OutbackZack 18:03, 24 December 2008 (EST)
          • A descriptive name (read: not from a canon or near-canon source) should describe the entire ability. The issue with calling it "poison absorption" is that it doesn't adequately cover all aspects of his ability. He is also immune to her poison. "Absorption" doesn't cover that. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:08, 24 December 2008 (EST)
            • Would that not fall under ability immunity? --Ricard Desi (t,c) 21:50, 24 December 2008 (EST)
              • Yeah, and isn't the sound absorption agent immune to Echo's sound waves? Same case with the teenage patient/Benjamin Franklin and electrical absorption. I think it goes without saying that if your ability it "something absorption," then you have an immunity to that something. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:59, 24 December 2008 (EST)
                • I was just thinking of that and I defiantly agree this is the same case with Alenjandro's ability. It seems to be a rule that whatever you adsorb you're immune to. --OutbackZack 22:06, 24 December 2008 (EST)
              • Ability immunity is being immune to the ill effects of one's own ability, not the ability of others. Maya's black tears do not kill her--that's ability immunity. They also do not affect Alejandro--that's something different. That's part of Alejandro's abilities. We also don't know that he actually absorbs them. He makes them go away, but does the poison go into him? Sure, his eyes turn black, but I'm not sure his body is now full of poison. "Poison absorption" still doesn't describe Alejandro's whole power, in my opinion. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:44, 25 December 2008 (EST)
                • Then what name would? Just out of curiosity. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 10:50, 25 December 2008 (EST)
                  • Even if it's not the perfect name, it is the best name we could come up with for this power. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:28, 25 December 2008 (EST)
  • I don't feel strongly about this one way or the other, but how about Poison nullification? That would cover both aspects of his ability. Granted, we don't know for sure that's exactly what is going on, but we don't know the mechanisms for most of the powers we have listed. Like I said, I don't really mind leaving it as Alejandro's ability, but just thought I'd throw that out there, since it's a more general term that would cover healing people and not beng affected by the poison (since it would be completely nullified). --Stevehim 11:35, 25 December 2008 (EST)
  • nullification has the same problem as neturalisation which i pointed out toward the begining, its to vauge and i think as the posion is seen entering him ( Him having black eyes for a moment) i think we need to state that he is absorbing the poison aswell as curing it ( I Went back and signed my original post, sorry for any Inconvenience)- Gray Knight
    • In general (meaning not regarding 'nullification' specifically), the only way this is going to get changed is with a vague description that encompasses all aspects of the ability, imho, and even then it's unlikely. We're probably never going to see Alejandro again, and the likelihood we even see Maya is fairly low (I don't read spoilers, but without her power or a way to get it back, and with Mohinder apparently embarking upon a new path, I'm guessing she's not going to appear that much more, if at all). Couple that with the fact that we can't change the name unless a consensus is reached, and you have a situation where compromise is needed to elicit change...meaning that most people aren't going to be completely satisfied with the result. I only say this because many people seem to feel rather strongly about doing away with 'so-and-so's ability' names whenever possible, and the only way that can really occur in this case is to find something that everyone can accept, which is most likely going to be something rather vague. --Stevehim 22:04, 25 December 2008 (EST)
• Poison Absorption I agree doesn’t gloss over he curing aspect but it is quite descriptive of the ability, PLUS its less vague than Alejandro's ability Gray Knight 17:51, 26 December 2008 (EST)
  • Well if he uses his ability to adsorb that would include both his sister and the victims are are still alive (if barely). By adsorbing the poison out of them there is nothing left to kill them. --OutbackZack 18:17, 26 December 2008 (EST)
• I like Poison Absorption, I think we should have a vote. --laughingdevilboy 18:11, 26 December 2008 (EST)
  • I concur, but we don't get to decide on a vote really...--The Empath 12:05, 27 December 2008 (EST)
• I can tell you right now that there's virtually no chance of this being renamed at this point. Not because of any one person's influence, but because this is a classic situation that the naming convention was designed to deal with by going with "Soandso's ability." We've not been given a name in a source and the ability is sufficiently ambiguous that there will probably never be consensus based on the current information. That's the reason we have the "Soandso's ability" name to fall back on... because there will always be instances like this. Barring reliable information from the writers there's not much we can do. (Admin 17:33, 29 December 2008 (EST))

Consensus Check #2

Let's try this again.

• One thing, let's wait 24 hours or more before we move forward with whatever is decided, and be sure that folks have ample opportunity to say something. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 15:11, 27 December 2008 (EST)
  • Agreed, I figured this'd sit a while before anything happens. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:08, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Keep as "Alejandro's ability"

1. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:09, 29 December 2008 (EST)
2. -- Admin 17:27, 29 December 2008 (EST) I am aware of no new information that warrants renaming this ability now. We need info from the writers. Since we only saw him use his ability on Maya we don't have enough examples to even generalize what it was.
3. -- --Bob (talk) 20:09, 29 December 2008 (EST)
4. -- IotV 17.05, 3 January 2009 (GMT)
5. --Cro Magnon 19:48, 21 February 2009 (EST) I don't know if there's a time limit on this, but I think we should stick with Alejando's ability, just because we don't know how specific it is. As far as we've seen, it only works with Maya's poison emission.
   • There's no real time limit. However, I'm not sure what new information has come out in the past year that would call for a change in name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:15, 21 February 2009 (EST)
6. --Steely McBeam - (talk) 10:06, 8 March 2009 (EDT) No real information that we can use.

Rename to "Poison absorption"

1. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 12:45, 27 December 2008 (EST) It describes what he does, and all absorptions so far (minus power absorption -- ex.: sound, electrical) include an innate immunity to the ability being absorbed.
2. This is my top choice, but I don't mind any of the other suggestions... as long as it's finally given a name. Would prefer this though. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:47, 27 December 2008 (EST)
3. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 13:31, 27 December 2008 (EST) Emission, absorption. They go together.
4. --The Empath 13:39, 27 December 2008 (EST)
5. Since everyone's waiting to see how I vote on this before making their decision. --Crazylicious 13:56, 27 December 2008 (EST)
6. --laughingdevilboy 15:45, 27 December 2008 (EST)
7. I already made my case --OutbackZack 15:55, 27 December 2008 (EST)
8. -- Altough I liked "eradication" better, this fits better with Maya's power. --Piemanmoo 16:37, 27 December 2008 (EST)
9. -- My Idea to rename it this in the firstplace Gray Knight 17:09, 27 December 2008 (EST)
10. -- This is the closest thing i see too what i would call this. Truthfully, i dont care, as long as its not Alejandro's ability.EmpathicMimic0
11. -- This is the best one so far, at this point though, like what EmpathicMimic said, anything is better than Alejandro's ability. Horrorman 7:36, 30 December 2008 (EST)
    • I'm seeing some people expressing their opinions that they like a name for a power so long as it's not "Soandso's ability". I really hope we're not making decisions about ability names based on opinions about completely valid names. In short, "Alejandro's ability" is always valid for this ability. Other names may or may not be valid. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:33, 2 January 2009 (EST)
12. -- --Irony 16:03, 2 January 2009 (EST)
13. -- Should be Poison absorption, as that's what he did, take it in him. And it is kind of the opposite of emission. --Powermimic 07:23, 3 January 2009 (EST)
    • But that ignores the fact that as part of his power, he's immune to Maya's poison. I think if we come up with a descriptive name, it should cover all aspects of the power, not just one. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:41, 3 January 2009 (EST)
      • That point is counteracted by the fact we have abilities called " Electrical absorption " and " Sound absorption " which are both imply immunity to the thing they are absorbing. This is the same thing, and just because it doesn't cover the whole ability is irrelevant as in my example of "Electrical absorption " it states and i quote "Electrical absorption is the ability to absorb electrical energy and release it in direct electrical arcs." ok not an exact match for this ability but my point is still made, absorption implies immunity..Gray Knight 20:20, 3 January 2009 (EST)
        • Those two names are in a different category. They are names derived from things people have said. Mohinder said that the teenage patient can absorb electrical currents (Blackout, Part 2). The sound absorption agent said, "My special ability. My body absorbs all sound." (Going Postal) They are both considered level two names. I don't know of any such quote regarding Alejandro's ability. Therefore, what we come up with would be a descriptive name--a level five name. A descriptive name should not name only part of the ability, but the entire ability. "Poison absorption" does not describe the entire ability. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:31, 3 January 2009 (EST)
          • I see your point there but we should follow the pattern. We should look upon there is abilities as ying yang, Manipulation and Absorption seam to come in pairs, Granted Mayas power is called Poison Emission, that in it’s self doesn’t describe her power as it only suggest she can excrete it when toward the end of her power’s life she show control over it being able to bring it into her self showing a degree of control and maybe her power should be renamed poison manipulation, but that’s a debate for another time, heroes has set a trend, everything manipulated can be absorbed that granted is only based on 2 sets but it is a pattern we should follow. Gray Knight 20:47, 3 January 2009 (EST)
          • I get what your saying, this name would be a "Descriptions of abilities", as we have no other info. I just think it's the best name well ever have. Alejandro seemed to absorb, as his eyes go black as he takes it out of Maya and the others effected. So the name does describe the ability well. He absorbs the poison effecting others reversing the effect. And as we know in Heroes he is not poisoned because he is immune to his own ability. --Powermimic 22:40, 3 January 2009 (EST)
          • (responding to RGS's post) I agree that we need to have a name that accurately describes what is going on, and from the information provided, we see that his power does the following:
            • 1. Alejandro's eyes go black.
            • 2. Maya calms down, and her eyes return to normal.
            • 3. The eyes of the victims return to normal, and the victims are freed from the poison.
          • Now, this would lead one to believe that (at least in part) he is absorbing the poison (or its effects). The argument of "'n' absorption implies immunity from 'n'" is partly because of a pattern we've found ourselves in, and partly because of an assumption we wind up making: If one's power is to absorb something, could they be negatively affected, directly, by said thing? However, even when Alejandro is in Maya's immediate vicinity, he is unaffected by her poison emission. Which aspect(s) of this power do you feel still need coverage? --Ricard Desi (t,c) 23:29, 3 January 2009 (EST)
            • I don't think "poison absorption" covers the fact that he's immune to Maya's poison. I also didn't feel that way during the first consensus check, and I don't know of any new information that has come to light that would cause us to either override the results of last year's consensus or to force consensus in changing the name this year when we clearly don't have it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:03, 4 January 2009 (EST)
            • IT does imply immunity, what you absorb or release you are generally immune from, Like Maya and how she doesn’t die from the poison, or the often quoted Rule of Ted. So it does cover most of his ability;
            • 1. He absorbs the poison, No cure he doesn’t release anything he just takes the poison out of the host
            • 2. He destroys the virus Inside of him, Absorption implies immunity, Just as Sound Absorption grants the immunity to sound waves. Gray Knight 09:49, 4 January 2009 (EST)
14. Best name suggestion yet. --Golden Monkey 12:00, 12 January 2009 (EST)
15. It describes it the best, and sounds okay too. --WeatherWitch 08:53, 24 January 2009 (EST)
    • I agree it's the best description yet, but it doesn't describe the power fully, as a descriptive name should. It's too narrow. Just because it describes it the best doesn't mean it's the right description to use. After all, "Alejandro's ability" also describes it well. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:34, 24 January 2009 (EST)
      • "Alejandro's ability" Dose Not describe anything. You go up to a non heroes fan or somebody who doesn’t watch intently, Alejandro's ability will mean NOTHING to them, Saying Poison Absorption will mean something Ie the ability to absorb poison which is esatialy his ability, Ok it requires the explaning of Maya's power but its better than starting from the begining, there for its more descriptive, And is a valid name, Always has been --Gray Knight 16:01, 29 January 2009 (EST)~
      • I argee with Gray Knight. "Alejandro's ability" is about as descriptive as "Bob's Car". You don't know anything about this Bob's Car about from the fact that it's Bob's, it doesn't define the car itself AT ALL. So can we stop with the horribly unimaginitive names for abilities, or at least for this one, since we have 16 votes for "Poison absorption"? PLEASE?! --Isaac Mendez 15:15, 5 November 2009 (EST)
        • I don't mind this name, but if people fuss up about the neutralization part, name it "Poison absorption and neutralization", a la Matt Jr.'s power and call it a day. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:27, 5 November 2009 (EST)
16. Please End This Madness!!--Isaac Mendez 15:16, 5 November 2009 (EST)

Rename to "Poison immunity"

1. This is still my preference. I'm not opposed to poison absorption, but in any case, no new information has come to light and at least one person, Ryan, already opposed all the other names besides "Alejandro's ability"...--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:38, 27 December 2008 (EST)

• • ...and has just done so again.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:41, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Rename to "Poison nullification"

1. Makes sense to me. He does nullify the effects of her ability. - Tristan0709 talk 23:37, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Other

If Maya's power is to generate poison, then his power should be changed to Poison Absorption/Suppression, Viral Absorption/Suppression or Disease Absorption, because by his eyes changing black like those killed by Maya's power, it implies

1. immunity to Maya's power (duh)

2. taking the power onto himself

3. negation of the power's effects (if it keeps people from being killed by Maya's poison/virus/disease, but can't help those already dead)

• First off, please sign your post. Second, choose ONE thing to vote on, not a pile of things. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 04:41, 29 December 2008 (EST)
  • First off, I'm User:Shadowulf1, second, I just brought up options for viable names (which is why I brought up so many---my personal preference is Poison Absorption/Suppression). No need for the attitude, It's not like I'm spamming, so who cares if I make a mistake and forget to attach my name to it, Mr. Picky?
    • I think the point Ricard Desi was tying to get across was that we are trying to choose one name, so it doesn't help if you are choosing five, and some of your suggestions are available to vote for already anyway. -- Tristan0709 talk 22:17, 2 January 2009 (EST)
      • This is probably a good time to point out that we don't vote at Heroes Wiki. We find consensus. There is nothing that says a consensus check must take the form of a vote. Personally, I much prefer a forum where people can express their thoughts and opinions (and questions) about something like an ability name over the votes that we see here so often. Often, I have an opinion on an ability I like to share, but I don't want to cast a "vote". I don't want to speak for Shadowulf1, but there are also times where I find that several names for an ability would suffice. If multiple names are part of one's opinion of an ability name, there is nothing wrong with expressing that. There is also nothing wrong with not casting a vote, yet still having your voice heard in the check for consensus....I'm not trying to point fingers at anybody or attack anybody here. I'm just saying something that's been on my mind for a while now. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:40, 2 January 2009 (EST)

merge with maya's ability

Why hasn't this happened already, it obviouse they have the same power, it's just alejandro never found out that he could use the poisen emmision side of the ablity, just how maya didn't think she had the ability to absorb her poisen. Omni314 08:04, 12 January 2009

• He has never emitted poison, so it's not the same ability until a canon source comes along and says he never developed the ability that way. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 08:18, 12 January 2009 (EST)
  • Very clearly Alejandro's ability is mirroring Maya's as you can read in the fifth chapter of Chandra's book, where he talks about bad cells: But in some cases the very mutation that seems most destructive can be cured, corrected or eradicated. = Maya destructive, Alejandro antidote! --Juba 12:56, 12 January 2009 (EST)
    • Pitch black clear, curing/correcting/eradicating a mutation goes more along the power giving formula and Arthur's ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:14, 12 January 2009 (EST)
      • I agree it is Posion emisson but we never seen Alejandro in the same state that Maya been in to emit the posion, but we have seen Maya reverse it on her own, and he only 1 who doesn't die from it.--50000JH 10:08, 1 October 2009 (EDT)50000JH

List of Possible Names

I've noticed that in this talk people have just started new threads just to say what name they think and leave it at that. I'll list all the possible names that have been said. Feel free to add your own suggestions and a quick reason why. Alejandro is dead so we probably won't ever get an official name for his ability; it will be whatever fan name sounds best.

• Poison Suppression
• Poison Eradication
• Poison Absorption
• Poison Immunity
• Poison Manipulation
• Poison Removal
• Poison Immunity and Reversal
• Poison Negation
• Poison Emission Counteraction
• Poison Emission Neutralization
• Poison Remission (my suggestion)(remission is 'a lessening of symptoms of the disease and a return to good health' and seems to counterbalance 'emission' well)--Elemental Manipulator [ U | T | C ] - When in doubt, ask BTE 03:42, 9 February 2009 (EST)
  • I prefer one you didn't list: "Alejandro's ability". It is not speculative, and it is does not ignore any aspects of his ability. Unless the writers name it differently (has anybody asked the simple question, "What is the name of Alejandro's ability" in a Behind the Eclipse submission?), I'm wary of suddenly using a fan name with no new information released. I know that my opinion is not the popular one (heck, it didn't even make your list of 11 names!), but it's the one I stand by right now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:09, 9 February 2009 (EST)

Didn't anyone understand the meaning of this tread? Don't start a new thread for every name you think of, just add it to this one. Include your reason too.{cough}Zoga78{cough}--Elemental Manipulator [ U | T | C ] - When in doubt, ask BTE 01:48, 19 February 2009 (EST)

poison absoption

this seems a good name for alejandro's ability since he needs to make contact with his sister to achieve this , not to mention the whole eye thing and absorbtion can cause neutrilization Zoga78 21:08, 16 February 2009

Poison Emission Neutralization

The reason I think this will work better than Poison absorption is that this specifically neutralizes the ability "Poison Emission". Poison absorption gives the idea that Alejandro is capable of absorbing other poisons as well. The assignment map tracker states that he has the ability of Poison Emission Neutralization. I say we change it to this ability, it works, it fits, and I don't know about you but I'd much rather have a proper name than "someone's ability".

Reasons:

1. He neutralizes the effects of "Poison emission"
2. His eyes take in the poison as he neutralizes it
3. He is immune to poison emission because he can neutralize her poison
4. He hasn't demonstrated any neutralizing effects to other poisons other than the ability "Poison emission"

-- - Bender · Talk-

Consensus Check #3

Okay, I think we need to vote on the names. If someone puts Alejandro's ability, then it stays "Alejandro's ability", but please consider the other option before putting down "Alejandro's ability". Please explain your reasoning or else your vote will be ignored. -- - Bender · Talk-

• Sadly that's not how consensus works mate. Concensus means that everyone agrees. Even if an ability gets a majority ruling, it's might not be a concensus and therefore will not be changed.--Steely McBeam - (talk) 11:24, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
  • You can not ignore a vote just because someone does not have a reason. A vote will still be counted regardless if they have or have not put a reason. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 15:02, 15 March 2009 (GMT)

• • • You make a very good point, LDB. Though adding a reason is highly encouraged, a person can certainly express his opinion for a name without necessarily expressing a reason for it. However, I should also point out that we do not vote on names of articles. We seek consensus. Bentonyang, I'm not sure why you are calling for a vote--or even another consensus check--when it's very clear that there is no consensus and no new information has been revealed in the past year and a half. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:14, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Rename to "Poison emission neutralization"

1. --Steely McBeam - (talk) 11:24, 8 March 2009 (EDT) Simply because I feel we need a name that isn't soandso's ability, and this is the best name yet.
2. ---- - Bender · Talk- 20:13, 8 March 2009 (EDT) Agreed. I'm tired of having all of the personal abilities and if we have enough information to give the ability a proper name, I say we do it.
3. --IronyUTC CH 17:18, 11 March 2009 (EDT), I'm doing thisin vain as we have had so many before but her I go ...
4. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 17:21, 11 March 2009 (EDT)

1. --NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 09:11, 14 March 2009 (EDT) C'mon guys, its been a year!
2. --Tsmarg 10:45, july 10th
3. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 07/10/2009 19:45 (EST)
4. --Catalyst · Talk · HL 20:21, 10 July 2009 (EDT) Good explanation of what it does.
5. reading ted rule this could be poison emission another part of his sister power but he hasn't develop power into what his sister could do. We see that she manage to controll it with the help of side. rule of ted said that a person is immuned from the power which he is. Just like Peter and Hiro with space and time manipulation[50000JH]
6. ----Hiroman 12:46, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
7. --Jenx222 | U / T / C 16:35, 5 November 2009 (EST), good example of what the ability does

Keep as "Alejandro's ability"

1---Ikkian 00:30, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

1. --Bob (talk) 14:22, 15 March 2009 (EDT) When you have to have 3 consensus checks, that means nothing new has happened, and it'll stay that way until a writer tells us otherwise. I don't understand why we keep having these when he's been dead for almost 20 episodes.
   • I agree, Bob. I can't even take this third (third!) consensus check seriously. My thoughts are elsewhere on this page, and people shouldn't have to feel like they need to keep up with an ability page that hasn't shown any new examples in a year and a half, and doesn't show any promises of new information being released about it because the character is dead. I think it's quite assumptive and self righteous to emphatically declare that the page will be moved when there is no consensus. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:10, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
     • Totally agreed. I think, simply, we have no reason to believe that is his ability. We have (and will probably never get) no new information on it, thus no right to think that is his ability. There is nothing wrong with keeping the name of the ability as is. --Serphaty

Moving to Poison emission neutralization

When we reach a consensus. -- - Bender · Talk-

• I see no problem, unless people say something otherwise. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 14:58, 15 March 2009 (GMT)

• • I see a big problem with this. There is no consensus and there never has been consensus. I would consider it vandalism to move this page without consensus--and now with explicit instructions not to. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:10, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Why?

• Why do all of these naming discussions spur such madness? Why can't we harldy ever come to a consensus? All of these "So-and-So's Ability"s are ridiculus. It doesn't need to be so complicated. Alejandro demonstrated time and time again, that he was immune to Maya's ability and absorbed her poison into himself, saving the victims around them. If we're calling her ability Poison Emission, then we can call his ability Poison Absorption. --ElleFanBoy 23:29, 25 May 2009 (EDT)
  • Not sure this will actually do something, but the main issue with this ability is that no name was considered to cover both the absorption and the immunity aspect, in my opinion, absorption would fit, cause in another absorption ability, the holder isn't hurt by what he absorbs. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:28, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
    • Exactly. And the Sound Absorption Agent absorbs sound and is therefore immune to sound, as well. --ElleFanBoy 22:09, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
      • Is that enough new material to merit re-consideration and a new and hopefully final consensus check? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 05/27/2009 10:25 (EST)
        • No, unless a writer from the show or a GN or flashback reveal a name this name will stay. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 10:39, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

• • • • • • Illogical answer. EFB and IE both brought forth new reasons for consideration above, that weren't originally taken into consideration in prior consensus checks, that would allow for this name to be named in a similar manner as two other abilities were named. If we can't be consistent and consider this new information, then we need to at least be consistent and (gasp) rename Electrical absorption to Dying patient's ability and Sound absorption to Sound absorption agent's ability. --hirodynoslayer
            • You know, both of their points had already been brought up before, and both been shot down. EFB's point was shot down by Ryan here and again here, and IE's by Ryan again here after the 13th vote. So, unless more canon material reveals the name, no name change is happening, and therefore no need for a consensus check. --Radicell 11:27, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
              • Couldn't it just be called something like "Poison absorption and immunity" then if the main objections were none of the names covering both aspects? The Shadow 19:58, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

Yes, ElleFanBoy, I agree. This ability should be named.--ERROR 21:59, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

This Discussion Should be Over, and This Ability Should be Named

See title. Our description of the ability is-with some paraphrasing-"the ability to negate his sister's ability.". Her sister's ability is the ability to emit poison. So the perfect name for this ability would be "poison emission negation," as it is the ability to negate poison emission. It covers both aspects, too. He's immune to his sister's ability because his ability is passively negating the ability's effects on him (Also note that our description specifically says, "negate the effects of his sister's ability"), and he can actively extend this suppression to others. The only arguments you could make against my suggestion is the old "It's too speculative!" argument, and the fact that my suggestion doesn't cover the "black eyes" thing.--ERROR 22:11, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

• good call --tsmarg

• • Thanks for the new information; maybe it will warrant a new consensus check that can be unanimous. If we can name Maya's ability, we should be able to name Alejandro's just as you suggest. Very clear, concise, unspeculative, and fully balanced to her ability's name. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 07/10/2009 19:44 (EST)
    • I totally agree; from the beginning he was his sister's antidote... --Juba 00:45, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
• I disagree. Yes, Alejandro can counteract Maya's ability, which is to emit poison. However, he doesn't negate the emission of poison itself - instead, he blocks his sister's power, which is somewhat different. Furthermore, he is immune to it. My conclusion is, Alejandro's ability is to counteract his sister's ability, not to negate poison emission. See the difference? -- Altes 02:06, 11 July 2009 (EDT)

• • • • • I think that the first name is fine. --tsmarg

Poison Manipulation for Maya and Alejandro's

This could be like Hiro's space and time manipulation where he has three aspects to his ability but unlike Matt's telepath are not extension of the original.

Poison Emittions: Reverse the effects:Is able to direct to another person or themselves Bring back the dead: --50000JH 10:08, 1 October 2009 (EDT)50000JH

• Then it's definitely not the same as Maya's ability. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:31, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
• Maya and Alejandro's abilities were related, but different: Maya could emit poison and deactivate the process, while Alejandro could only deactivate. He was just an antidote. AltesUTC CH
• Maybe Alejandro body itself did not how to emit poison. User:50000JH/sig
  • Alejandro actually seemed to absorb Maya's poison... AltesUTC CH

No intention on being rude, but you speculate a lot about useless stuff. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:49, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

Poison Emission Negation and Immunity

I know it's a mouthful, but it covers all aspects of the power.--Ratclaws 16:39, 5 November 2009 (EST)

• Maybe "poison absorption and immunity". Says the same thing and it's shorter. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:44, 5 November 2009 (EST)
  • Yeah, that is better. His ability absorbs the poison, and he is immune to it.--Ratclaws 16:56, 5 November 2009 (EST)
    • I like just "Poison absorption". But the "and immunity" part doesn't bug me. --Skullman1392 21:21, 8 November 2009 (EST)
      • Yeah. If he can absorb it, than you have to immediately know that he is immune, otherwise he would die. Poison absorption is the way to go.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 21:24, 8 November 2009 (EST)
        • That is exactly what I wanted to say, but I wasn't sure if I would word it right :P --Skullman1392 21:49, 8 November 2009 (EST)
• Sorry, but I disagree. "Poison absorption" suggests he can affect any form of poison, whether it came from Maya or not. For instance, he could heal a person that was contaminated by a regular toxin. Since we do not know if this is true, the name seems to me inadequate. --Referos 19:14, 11 November 2009 (EST)
  • That's what the limits section is for. I like the name "Poison absorption", and since Maya's ability is called "Poison Emission", this fits. --Powermimic 02:31, 22 November 2009 (EST)
    • I agree and I'm for said change. --OutbackZack 18:38, 27 November 2009 (EST)
      • According to our naming conventions, a descriptive name created by the community for an ability cannot suggest possible unknown effects of the ability. Since simply "posion absorption" suggests that Alejandro can absorb poison in general, even if you explain it in the article the name is still considered too broad.--Referos 18:47, 27 November 2009 (EST)
        • Poison emission suggests it can release any type of poison. But it doesn't. The name really does fit.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:48, 27 November 2009 (EST)
          • Not really, it says it emits poison, it doesn't specify which, it can be understood as emitting a poison, which it does. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:53, 27 November 2009 (EST)
            • So, the description of Poison absorption can say, to absorb the poison that is emitted by maya, or something like that.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:56, 27 November 2009 (EST)
              • "Poison emission" comes from a canon source. Not trying to be a jerk, but, again, according to the naming conventions, it is okay for a name derived from canon sources to imply unseen aspects of the ability, but it is not okay for a descriptive name created by the community to be similarly broad. (edit conflict be damned)--Referos 18:59, 27 November 2009 (EST)
                • The reason I suggested "Poison Emission Negation and Immunity" was to make clear it only negated the effects of Poison emission, not all poison's.--Ratclaws 20:26, 27 November 2009 (EST)
                  • That just seems a bit too long of a name.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 20:27, 27 November 2009 (EST)
                    • I know, but it's the only thing I can think of that covers all aspects of the ability.--Ratclaws 20:31, 27 November 2009 (EST)
                      • Agreed. Having a long name for this ability is our only other option as long as we're anal about the details. Anal, isn't a bad thing, just the only word I could think of haha --OutbackZack 23:55, 27 November 2009 (EST)
        • I agree with you, Referos. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:39, 28 November 2009 (EST)
          • "Poison Emission Negation" would be fine, the immunity part is not neccesary. If he negates it, wouldn't he negate it in his own body as well? Poison Emission Negation covers all aspects of the ability. I still like "Poison Absorbtion", but whatever, "Poison Emission Negation" is ok by me. --Skullman1392 02:35, 28 November 2009 (EST)
            • I'm not sure. I think that, because Alejandro's power is, by far, the most unique of all powers (in the sense that it's less than an actual ability and more like some sort of connection with his sister), it's probably impossible to properly name this ability. So, unless we hear from a writer or his power is mentioned again (extremely unlikely), I think the only safe choice is "Alejandro's ability".--Referos 18:53, 28 November 2009 (EST)
              • Yeah, I always understood it as being like the cure to Maya's ability. The polar effects. Works well with the twin thing. With that said, I don't see why it would be impossible to name the ability base on what we know. He cures people of it if done within time and he's immune to it. The immune part makes perfect sense when you consider him to be the cure. --OutbackZack 11:08, 2 December 2009 (EST)
                • Guys, it's honestly even possible that Alejandro has the same power as Maya. Maya was eventually able to undo her poisons, and both she and Alejandro are immune to her poison. It could be that he simply never used his ability. There are a million options. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 13:03, 2 December 2009 (EST)
                  • But that's speculation. What we do KNOW is that he can save people from the poison if acted on quickly. To say that they had the same powers is just going out on a far breakable limb. --OutbackZack 15:11, 2 December 2009 (EST)
                    • No, what we do know is that he is immune to her ability, and when he calms her down, it stops. His eyes turn black the same way hers do. It's altogether inconclusive. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 19:48, 2 December 2009 (EST)
                      • In the article it says he uses his ability to combat hers. That in itself is stating more than what you said, or the article is misleading. --OutbackZack 03:21, 3 December 2009 (EST)