Talk:Mental manipulation/Archive 1

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Blocking Abilities

It seems to me that there is still question over whether or not it is the Haitian that blocks the mental abilities. The times that we know that powers have been blocked, he has been there. But HRG has been for a few of them as well. For Sylar at the paper firm, The Haitian may have been in another part, or outside completely, of the building.

It seems to me that including that as fact is premature. (Jared 18:47, 8 December 2006 (EST))

Mr. Bennet told Matt after he abducted him: "Trying to hear my thoughts, Matt? Not with my friend here. He's special, too." Also when Eden tried to use her power on Mr. Bennet it cut to The Haitian making some effort to block her. Jack Coleman has said in an interview[1] that at this point Mr. Bennet will not be revealed to have any powers. It's actually pretty clear that the blocking is being performed by The Haitian. (Admin 18:55, 8 December 2006 (EST))

I'm not convinced. That said, if I'm the only one that is not convinced, I'll write myself off and drop the question. (Jared 19:16, 8 December 2006 (EST))

Bennet was not in the bar - it was the Haitian that blocked blocked Matt using his telepathy. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:09, 8 December 2006 (EST)

If it helps, I just noticed on the Theories page we have a link to an interview[2] where a couple of producers/writers explicitly say it was The Haitian that blocked Matt's powers. (Admin 22:51, 8 December 2006 (EST))

See it. Ok. Ignore me. Jared 17:05, 9 December 2006 (EST))

• I also believe that sometime in the future, it will be revealed that Bennet has an ability. The biggest piece of evidence for me is his job: either he's doing it for power (which it's pretty clear he has little to none) or more likely, he's doing it because he too is a metahuman. We know that he's been doing "the job" for longer than Claire has been alive. I think that like Claude (invisible man), he is a 1st-Generation metahuman (this would make Micah a 3rd generation) who is doing the job he is doing in order to help those like himself.-- YoShIe (talk) 21:18, 8 December 2006 (EST)

I'm starting to get the sense that the Haitian's power-blocking ability is more useful against projected powers (those that affect people other than the one with the power) than against personal powers (those that only work on the person with the power). It seems to be effective against Matt's telepathy, Eden's persuasion, and Sylar's telekinesis. It seems less effective against Nathan's flight and Sylar's intuitive aptitude. Alternatively, the more concentration it takes to do something, the more effectively he interferes. I'd like to keep this observation in mind as we collect more data on his power. --Ted C 21:01, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Knock-outs

• While I am in the camp that believes the Haitian can knock people out with his power, I don't think that's what happened to Matt Parkman. I'm pretty sure the Haitian has to touch someone to knock them out, which didn't happen to Matt. Matt was probably drugged, just as Mr. Bennet said. When told to "take down" Nathan, the Haitian started moving toward him, but Nathan took off before the Haitian could get a hand on him. In "Homecoming", Sylar dropped like a rock when the Haitian grabbed him, even though he seemed to be fighting Eden's suggestions before that. Hopefully we'll learn more about his in future episodes. --Ted C 09:31, 22 January 2007 (EST)

Merge with telepathy?

• to me, "Mental Manipulation" sounds just like another term for telepathy. A lot of the things the Haitian has been shown to do are things that powerful telepaths can all accomplish. (e.g.: Professor X) is anyone else for merging this with telepathy? Heroe 14:38, 3 January 2007 (EST)
  • It doesn't seem quite the same. There is no indication that the Haitian can read surface thoughts, for instance. --Ted C 14:44, 3 January 2007 (EST)
  • Emphatic "no". "Telepathy", despite what it means outside the context of Heroes, is used here to describe Matt's power to read (and so far only read) thoughts. There's no indication the Haitian possesses this power, and he certainly can do things Matt cannot.--Hardvice (talk) 15:12, 3 January 2007 (EST)
    • IAWTC 110%. Mind reading and power blocking/memory erasing are quite different. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:22, 3 January 2007 (EST)

Images

"The Haitian's power somehow causes Matt to collapse on the floor of a bar." ~ Mr Bennet clearly says that Matt was drugged. As the caption is inaccurate, the picture does not belong on this page. Branfish 11:53, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Mr. Bennet does claim that, but given what is known about The Haitian it does seem more likely that it was he that caused Matt to lose consciousness. He has used his power to subdue Sylar and tried to use it to subdue Nathan before he flew away. It would have been difficult to have actually drugged Matt at a public bar without getting close to him. Maybe they drugged him afterwards and that's what he's referring to, but when he loses consciousness at the bar it seems to me that it was most likely The Haitian's powers. Any other thoughts? (Admin 12:09, 19 January 2007 (EST))

It's possible Bennet was lying (he's been known to do that), but I agree with Branfish: we have no reason to believe that the Haitian's ability necessarily explains Matt's (or Ted's, or Sylar's, or Nathan's) collapse. In each case, an alternate explanation has been given: both Matt and Ted were drinking probably drugged drinks, Nathan was already asleep (and could have been drugged in his sleep if need be) and Sylar was fighting a losing battle against Eden's suggestion. The AWI is big and powerful enough that they could have accomplices spiking the drinks (puts a different spin on the bartender's "just shut up and order a drink" thoughts, no?). I'd say there's just not enough evidence one way or the other to assume it's the Haitian's doing.--Hardvice (talk) 12:18, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Of course, it also occurs to me that there's not much point in Mr. Bennet lying to Matt about drugging him if they're just going to wipe his memory again anyway.--Hardvice (talk) 12:33, 19 January 2007 (EST)

I don't know what Mr. Bennet's purpose was exactly in telling him he drugged him. Maybe it was simpler than going into detail about The Haitian's power, maybe like I said they did drug him subsequently. I'm not sure. To me, though, the encounters with The Haitian (including Mr. Bennet asking him to "put him down" regarding Nathan) make me fairly certain that it was The Haitian responsible for Matt losing consciousness as well as ultimately Sylar when they captured him. Of course, I've been wrong before. :) (Admin 12:40, 19 January 2007 (EST))

I agree it's likely that it's the Haitian's doing (though that opens other questions ... if he could knock Matt out across the room, why not Nathan from a couple feet away? Why tranq Sylar with darts in Fathers and Daughters?). I just think it's far from confirmed when every instance of him knocking somebody out has another plausible (and in some cases given) explanation.--Hardvice (talk) 12:53, 19 January 2007 (EST)

I firmly believe it was the Haitian's powers that knocked Matt out. However, it's just that - a belief. I was unwittingly speculating when I added the photo - it's not confirmed, and there is certainly evidence that it may not have been his powers. I'll remove the pic now. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:29, 19 January 2007 (EST)

I'm not sure what image was being discussed, but it occurs to me that it might be valid example of the Haitian using his powers to block Matt's telepathy. --Ted C 13:31, 19 January 2007 (EST)

It was this pic, which is a good example of the Haitian's powers, if it is, indeed, part of his powers. Ultimately, it's speculation, so it was removed. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:36, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Magnetic Wipe

I just had a thought- his powers seem to be a mental version of electromagnetic interference. The telepathy-block seems to be similar to interfering with radio waves, while the is similar to wiping a floppy disk using a magnet. This really doesn't, but it might help to zero in on what his power actually does. Webrunner 13:53, 31 January 2007 (EST)

Hmm, interesting theory. I think we've got a lot to learn about this mysterious power. :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:28, 31 January 2007 (EST)

• Not a fan of that explanation. The more likely explanation is that he's able to create mental blocks or dams between neurons. This would not only prevent the activation of synaptic pathways associated with the recall of a memory, but because powers are executed within the brain, it would also prevent the use of an ability. He likely has to be in close physical contact to block a specific memory because blocking the entire portion of the brain that activates powers would be far less complex and intricate than building a dam in the way of a small group of synapses specific to a particular memory. SpACatta 01:13, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

Two For One?

With the obvious exceptions of Peter, Sylar, and possibly Hiro, every 'special' character in this show only gets one power. The Haitian's ability to wipe memories is decidedly different from his ability to block people's powers. How come he gets two completely different abilities? -- ZachsMind 17:23, 23 February 2007 (EST)

• They're probably two facets of the same power -- altering people's minds to either block access to their powers or to erase their memories (and possibly do other stuff we haven't seen). Similarly, Hiro's got one power (to manipulate space-time) but it has multiple effects.--Hardvice (talk) 18:24, 23 February 2007 (EST)
  • For awhile, I think we had the Haitian listed as having two powers -- I know Hiro was listed as having three powers. But when Bennet told Sylar that all the other evolved humans had only one, we moved to consolidate. That's why we came up with the all-encompassing (though quite bland) "mental manipulation" for the Haitian. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:57, 23 February 2007 (EST)
• The Haitian's power might be described more specifically as "mental interference", with a couple of applications: scrambling powers that target other people's minds (like Telepathy and Persuasion) as well as messing up people's memories. --Ted C 13:47, 28 February 2007 (EST)
  • That's quite a nice name ... — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:56, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Sylar Wiped?

Regarding "Sylar has a flashback of Charlie and the Burnt Toast Diner, despite having had his memories erased by the Haitian"... when did the Haitian wipe Sylar? Was it in a novelization that I missed, or something? --Ted C 13:47, 28 February 2007 (EST)

• I think that's speculation. The Haitian and Eden took Sylar after Homecoming, and the Haitian blocked Sylar's powers. I think some believe he wiped his memory. He very well may have, but there's no evidence of that. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:56, 28 February 2007 (EST)
  • Assuming the intended to question Sylar, I would think wiping his memory to be self-defeating -- at least if done before they were through examining him. --Ted C 15:58, 28 February 2007 (EST)
    • Great point. I removed the spec anyway. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:05, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Can't Block Invisibility?

Is it possible that Claude (and to a lesser extent Peter) can realise when they're not invisible.. and the Haitian had merely turned off his power to take them by surprise? If he can block Hiro's power.. Claude's doesn't seem that hard. Just trying to rationalise my belief that Haitian can block all powers :D Puff0rx 09:47, 6 May 2007 (EDT)

• I think the Haitian blocks all powers too. But I think the main reason Claude and Peter's invisibility weren't blocked is because the Haitian works for Peter's mother, Angela.--Ice Vision 11:48, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
  • The impression I'm getting is that he interferes with people's concentration. Powers that can be "always on" like regeneration and invisibility aren't affected by the Haitian, but the more concentration a power requires, the more effectively he blocks it. I've rolled back the certainty on my statements, though. --Ted C 17:48, 6 May 2007 (EDT)

It Takes a Village, Part 2

The second part of "It Takes a Village" seems to show the Haitian erasing the memories of several villagers without touching them. Of course, this also appears to be an instinctive and uncontrolled act; he didn't erase specific memories or periods of time, he erased everything -- leaving zombies. I'm not sure I want to update the Limits section with this yet; we may get a better idea of what happened from the next installment. --Ted C 11:02, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

• Good call. I think we're going to find out about both powers a bit more in depth in the next two installments. There's no harm in waiting another week. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:15, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
  • It looks like his original (or first manifested power) was power blocking, and was innate and always on... while his second mind-wiping power was callable and tied to his emotions. Will be interesting to see how the next couple of novels develop. I also noticed that in the first two parts, Guillame referred to him three times, addressing him as 'Boy'. I think the writers are taunting us by not revealing his name. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 06/5/2007 12:51 (EST)
    • As far as his name is concerned, I think we might get it in the last one. Tim Kring told Entertainment Weekly that there's no secret so large that we can't reveal it. The longer you wait, the bigger the letdown. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:56, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
      • Correct me if I am wrong, but if the final display of power the Haitian does in Part 2 that makes them look zombie-like is truly him tapping into his mind-wipe power, then it is the first example of him doing it when not touching an individual. In all prior cases (Sylar in Odessa, Mrs Bennet in their home, HRG on the bridge, etc....) He has always touched his target to do the mindwipe. Perhaps touching them gives him more control and precision with that power. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 06/5/2007 14:55 (EST)
        • You're absolutely correct. Pardon the crude comparison, but I think of the Haitian's realization of his powers much like an early pubescent teen's sexual awakening: very little control at first, and mostly ruled by emotions and feelings. As time (and practice) shapes the person, he gains more control and figures out what's best for him. I'm really looking forward to Parts 3 and 4 because so much of the Haitian's power is still unknown. I'm hoping they really go into depth on it in the next few issues. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:27, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
          • I get what you're saying. Kind of like Peter and his radioactivity. He couldn't control it at first, and ended up exploding, but will probably learn to control it in the future. Jaybenad 19:35, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
            • Right. I was actually thinking of Spider-Man when he, um, "shoots" all over the place, but then learns aim, control, and technique. Same idea. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:40, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

Electromagnetism?

• In Four Months Ago the Haitian blocked Peter's electromagnetism but allowed Elle's electromagnetism to work? 05:57, 13 November 2007 (EST)
  • Yup. The writers have said before that he has very precise control of the power dampening.--Hardvice (talk) 16:00, 13 November 2007 (EST)
• The events in this episode have lead me to change my stance on his abilities. I now believe his ability allows him to suppress synaptic connections in the brain. It is "on" in a certain area of effect by default. It can be focused and/or turned off. It can also be pinpointed to a specific part of the brain and made permanent in order to erase memories. These synaptic paths are "broken" and therefore can technically be healed. It also explains the doctors mistaking Sandra Bennets MRI for that of someone who suffered head trauma. This makes me wonder if it would be at all possible for him to permanently turn-off the synapses to someones powers? Or has this been discounted by the writers?--Mish 16:37, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Canon name: Neurocognitive deficit

Have a quick look at the Mozaic file article. Noticed the "Neurocognitive deficits" on the trivia section? Well, according to Wikipedia, cognition functions are generally regarded as being "memory, attention, perception, action, problem solving and mental imagery" The Haitian can erase memories, prevent the action of abilities, and force people to recall images.

Cognitive neuroscience is the study of the relations between these functions and the correspondent area of the brain. A Neurocognitive deficit "is a reduction or impairment of cognitive function in one of these areas, but particularly when physical changes can be seen to have occurred in the brain". Well, Adam did say the Haitian damaged Peter´s brain cells.

Summary: The Haitian blocks/interferes with cognitive functions. He can blocks powers and force people to remember and form mental images. While it´s unknown if he damages the brain to block powers or recall memories, we are sure he injures brain cells to permanently erase memory. In any case, he causes a Neurocognitive deficit, as supported by the Mozaic files.

Maybe it´s speculative, but I don´t think it is just a coincidence.--Referos 22:08, 8 December 2007 (EST)

• I think this is a good catch. I'm gonna add the rename template so more of us can discuss it, though.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:12, 8 December 2007 (EST)
  • Ok, I added the rename template, but I also added "neurocognitive deficit creation" as his power is to create neurocognitive deficits. Without the creation part, it doesn't make much sense as a power/ability name, imho. It would be like saying he has the power of "mental voids" instead of "mental void creation".--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:44, 8 December 2007 (EST)
    • Too technical for me, leave it alone I say. If we were to do this, I favor the word "infliction" over "creation," as he less creates whatever-you-said any ol' place than inflicts it in a targeted place SacValleyDweller (talk) 00:49, 9 December 2007 (EST)
• I prefer "mental manipulation". Though it sounds completely reasonable, I'm just not positive the Haitian creates neurocognitive deficits when he's blocking the powers of others. Cognition is understanding, knowing, and reasoning. Sure, the Haitian is interfering with those processes when he removes memories. But when a person can't use their power, I'm not sure their understanding, knowing, and reasoning are really being affected. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:50, 9 December 2007 (EST)
  • The definition says those are possibilities. They don't all have to be affected, since the deficit can be selective. This is definately canon, so I think it trumps the current descriptive definition. That said, there is something to having a name that people can identify with. Perhaps this name can be added as a note and redirect?--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:58, 9 December 2007 (EST)
    • Sure, the words "neurocognitive deficit" showed up in a canon source, but I'm not sure it's a canon description of the Haitian's power. They were written on the cover of the Mozaic file. Are we sure that they describe this power and not some other ability (or something else entirely)? Also, if the Mozaic file describes Peter's ability, are we sure that empathic mimicry can absorb the Haitian's power? Peter has been in the Haitian's presence, but has not shown that he can erase memories or block the abilities of others....I don't mind a redirect. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:04, 9 December 2007 (EST)
    • "Neurocognitive deficit" is canon. The fact that it refers to the Haitian's ability, or to any ability at all even, is not. It's just speculation. A "neurocognitive deficit" could be a property of a single individual, or a side effect of another power, or any of a dozen things. As you correctly point out, "neurocognitive deficit" does not, without additional words, describe a power, but a condition -- a condition which may or may not have anything to do with the Haitian.--Hardvice (talk) 01:06, 9 December 2007 (EST)
      • took the words right out of my mouth! --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:10, 9 December 2007 (EST)
        • Thanks for the clarity, Hardvice. A note is probably best then, imho.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:18, 9 December 2007 (EST)
          • Yeah, something along the lines of "The Mozaic file refers to "neurocognitive deficit", which could describe the effects of the Haitian's ability" or something seems justified.--Hardvice (talk) 01:23, 9 December 2007 (EST)
  • Neurocognitive deficit is alright, cause "mental manipulation" is really Matt's power (I think?) 05:27, 9 December 2007 (EST)
  • We did name other powers based on research files. Correct me if I am wrong, but we have no canon source indicating that "Rapid cellular regeneration" and "Induced Radioactivity" in the Genesis files refer to Claire´s and Ted´s powers. Mohinder never said something like "This file details your daughter´s power, Mr. Bennet." Yet, we used them to name the abilities simply because the files supposedly were referencing to them. And some abilities are named based on it´s effects. Electromagnetism, instead of Electromagnetic manipulation. Illusion, instead of Illusionism. And cognition includes will, the concentration to act. Maybe the Haitian just blocks the required focus to activate powers (which makes sense, he wasn´t capable of blocking Ted´s explosion because Ted wasn´t concentrating in activating his powers--he couldn´t control it, it was automatic. But, well, now I am speculating). Anyway, don´t you think "Mental manipulation" is a bit too vague? It´s description ("manipulate other´s mind") is almost the same as Telepathy´s ("mentally control functions of the brain"). Besides, it´s too broad. You can do a lot of things by manipulation other´s mind (ask Matt), and we have seen the Haitian doing only three--erasing memories, blocking powers and recalling memories. Even if neurocognitive is too technical and not canon, why not call it then "Mental interference" or "Neural interference"? We do know the Haitian interferes with other´s mind, but not if he can freely manipulate the brain.--Referos 10:24, 9 December 2007 (EST)
    • Rapid cellular regeneration was not only used in the Genesis files, it was used by other characters. Angela Petrelli, for instance, said Adam had the ability of "cellular regeneration". Rapid is just an adjective that clarifies the power name. All humans regenerate, Claire and Adam regenerate rapidly. Induced radioactivity does accurately describe Ted's power. I don't see what you're going with this. Ted emits radiation, and can induce radiation on other objects.--Ice Vision 10:32, 9 December 2007 (EST)
      • The Genesis File for Rapid Cell Regeneration also has a document stamped ODESSA, TEXAS in it. And there's a file on induced radioactivity with pictures which show radiation effects identical to those observed at the Spragues' home. "Neurocognitive deficit" is two words that appear on the outside cover of a file for another power altogether -- a file about Peter's mimickry, and Peter has never mimicked the Haitian's power, to boot.--Hardvice (talk) 13:05, 9 December 2007 (EST)
        • Also, doesn't the phrase "neurocogntive deficit" really only apply to someone who has some kind of lacking in neurocognitive abilities themselves, not somebody who can inhibit them in someone else? The Mozaic folder also has a phrase about some kind of EEG test. So those phrases aren't just a list of power names.--E rowe 18:40, 9 December 2007 (EST)
    • Ok, I forgot Angela´s statement. I withdraw my comment about the files. But I still think Mental manipulation can be easily confused with Telepathy (Matt can freely control the brain, but the Haitian can´t), and could use a new name, because the current one seems to be a bit too broad.--Referos 11:16, 9 December 2007 (EST)
      • I agree it's broad, but I kind of think it's necessarily broad. First, the Haitian has such disparate things he can do, they really can't be summed up by one neat and tidy sentence: "I can fly" or "I shoot lightning out of my body". In fact, until we learned from Mr. Bennet that everybody the Company had encountered only had one power (Fallout), we had the Haitian listed as having two powers: power blocking and mind erasing (or some variation of those names). The second reason the name is so broad is because we really still know very little about the mechanics of the Haitian's power. We know the end results, but we really have no idea how he erased memories (it was described as being like unto picking grubworms out of people's minds). Does he actually remove brain cells? Deaden them? Does he interfere with synapses? Is it more like a foggy cloud that makes things hazy? Or is it something else entirely?...We have even less of an idea of how he blocks the powers of others. Is he manipulating something in the air? Is his mind sending messages to the other person's mind? Is it similar to Matt's newfound aspect of telepathy? Is it chemical? And he seems to be able to affect some powers but not others--is this by choice or by the nature of the power. My point is that since we know so little, we must go by the end result. We also must find a name that sums up both powers. "Mental manipulation" is broad, but it fits the bill. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:57, 9 December 2007 (EST)

Neurocognitive Deficit isn't a cannon name at all because it isn't mentioned in the show or graphic novels. It's just another description for the ability and I think Mental Manipulation is better. That said I have never liked Mental Manipulation and would prefer something more along the lines of Memory Deletion.--Tesphen 18:17, 9 December 2007 (EST)

• Actually, "neurocognitive deficit" was written on the cover of the Mozaic file (see this image). What's not canon is the name being attributed to the Haitian's power....My problem with "memory deletion" is that it ignores the power's aspect of blocking the abilities of other evolved humans. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:26, 9 December 2007 (EST)
  • Oh! I'm really sorry, I missed that. Still I think the term is too sciencey - is there no way it could be dumbed down for the title? I guess what we could really do with is knowing more about how the power works. :p --Tesphen 18:31, 9 December 2007 (EST)
    • I agree, we don't know enough about the power to say anything too definite about it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:57, 9 December 2007 (EST)
      • Dynamic camouflage could be used for invisibility, but we don't call it dynamic camouflage-- we call it invisibility because we haven't heard anyone call Claude's ability dynamic camouflage. It's the same way with this ability and "induced neurocognitive deficit." Until someone asks the Haitian to use his "induced neurocognitive deficit" or whatever, we shouldn't jump to conclusions. --NellaBishop 23:51, 9 December 2007 (EST)

The only simplified ("dumbed down" if you like <_<) solution is to rename this Brain manipulation, as it damages the brain when used as a memory eraser ( Unexpected, Four Months Later) and may inhibit the firing of certain synapses that control powers. SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:34, 11 December 2007 (EST)

• I think Mental Manipulation is fine for now. The Haitian controls his power negation and the memory manipulations. One of my theories, is that he can only negate "mental" powers so I think mental manipulation is fine for now. Jason Garrick 21:16, 11 December 2007 (EST)
• Neuroognitive defecit makes perfet sense to me. A defecit is a lack of something, and neurocognitive suggests relating to the brain. We know the Haitian can't restore memories, so his memory removal is, quite simply, a 'neurocognitive defecit.' Hmmm, where have we heard that name before? What more do you need? It's more canon than mental manipulation, which suggests controlling of thoughts, AND there's nothing else the Mozaic could potentially be referring to, assuming of course that it is a power (but this is a fair assumption because its mentioned in the middle of a list of powers). --Yamawhata? 20:10, 20 December 2007 (EST)
  • To answer your question of what more I need, I need a name that describes the Haitian's entire power, namely that he can prevent some other evolved humans from using their power. "Neurocognitive deficit" does not fit the bill. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:17, 20 December 2007 (EST)
    • A neurocognitive deficit could prevent evolved humans from using powers, seeing as how his power appears to work better on powers which require active concentration. If he creates a gap in your thought process, activating a power would be impossible. But any debate on this is going to be speculative until the writers give us an official scientific paper explaining exactly how any of these powers work, so its all kinda pointless. I still don't think mental manipulation describes what he does in any way, shape or form though. 'Mental' refers to the thoughts flying around inside your head, so mental manipulation is more like telepathy than the Haitian's power, however you look at it. --Yamawhata? 21:00, 21 December 2007 (EST)
      • Actually, "mental" just means that the manipulation has to do with the mind or brain. The Haitian removes memories from the brain, and he blocks mental powers. You're absolutely right, it's not a great name for the power, but it's the best name I've seen so far that adequately covers both aspects of the power...Something to remember is that not all powers actually have names. I mean, I'd be willing to bet that the Haitian (who even himself has not been named on the show) has not given a moniker to his "gift" from God. We give it a name because the article needs a title, but rarely do we refer to the Haitian's power by name in the articles on this site--only when we have to. Usually we just describe the power or the effects of it, and put a piped link to the article. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:10, 21 December 2007 (EST)
        • I didn't think of it, but Neurocognitive Deficit(s) actually makes ALOT of sense. Think about it... we DID jump on the name "Clairvoyance" for Molly from the files, who knows if the writers were thinking of a different name?(Then again, we didn't name Flight "Human Flight Potential".) In any case, we've learned powers are triggered through the brain. The Haitian stops the part of the mind that lets you trigger said power, 'causing a Neurocognitive Deficit... also he wipes out memories... more on the "Deficit" there. It DOES make sense.--Riddler 00:44, 22 December 2007 (EST)
          • The way I see it, there are two insurmountable problems with "neurocognitive deficit":
            1. It doesn't name a power. It names the effect of a power. In some cases, that's fine: we have "lightning" and "bliss and horror". However, in those cases we have a source for the name and we know it refers to their ability.
            2. In this case, we have zero evidence linking these two words to the Haitian. Sure, they could describe the effects of his power, but they could also describe the effects of another power, or a non-power related condition. We have to remember that they were found on a folder describing Peter's power. Peter has never mimicked the Haitian's power. Perhaps "neurocognitive deficit" merely describes the fact that Peter didn't have conscious control over which abilities he manifested. Who knows? In any case, any link between "neurocognitive deficit" and the Haitian's ability is speculative. The words themselves appear in a canon source, but assuming they have anything to do with the Haitian's power is speculation.--Hardvice (talk) 14:17, 22 December 2007 (EST)
          • In regards to clairvoyance being the name for Molly's power, that was confirmed in a Heroes Interactive transcript. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:56, 22 December 2007 (EST)