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The Heroes Reborn app explicitly names this ability as "enhanced strength and senses".
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Sept 2008-Feb 2009 [[Talk:Mohinder's ability/Archive 1#

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Peter

Since Peter demonstrated the ability, I've added him. Due to the power absortion vs empathic mimicry debate, I used the most neutral wording I could. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:14, 3 February 2009 (EST)

Just "Enhanced Strength"

The latest Behind the Eclipse, Joe Pokaski and Aron Coliete said, "Enhanced strength is the only ability remaining. The wall climbing was linked to that goo coming off of his hands and the scales..." [1] --Powermimic 21:09, 9 February 2009 (EST)

Well then we can change most stuff referencing this into Enhanced strength then, however perhaps this page could be changed into something about incomplete formula abilities? Speaking of which do we know if this ability was caused by the complete formula or not? The Light6 21:24, 9 February 2009 (EST)
My two cents, outlined-like:
  1. Yes, with the CBR confirmation, we can remove all references to Mohinder currently having this ability and say that he now has enhanced strength.
  2. No, we cannot convert this page to being a general one about the abilities gained though use of imperfect formula. Reason being, this ability (which I think should be renamed as "Mohinder's mutation") is unique and the effects used often in Volume 3.
    (btw, Light 6, somebody started a user subpage about just that, which could work as a legitimate article with some work)
  3. I believe that David's ability was the result of imperfect formula. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:43, 10 February 2009 (EST)
My two cents: Since the eclipse blocked it, I do think it needs to be left as ability, but just like empathic mimicry, we need to make the distinction that it's not his ability anymore, and from now on put Mohinder in the enhanced strength, but mentioning examples only from after he was washed up with the catalyzed formula. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:31, 10 February 2009 (EST)
  • I agree, I would say that as of A Clear and Present Danger the only part of Mohinder's ability left is the enhanced strength/stamina, so I think we should note that he has LOST Mohinder's ability and currently holds Enhanced Strength. EValentino 13:28, 12 February 2009 (EST)

Here's how we should handle the CBR confirmation for Mohinder's ability

We should handle this like we handled Peter. We still keep Mohinder's ability (which documents the original buglike apsects), but we list it as (lost), and on his character page, list two abilities like we do Peter:
Original ability:
Mohinder's ability (lost)
Current ability:
Enhanced strength (synthetic)
We then add a note in the notes section stating that when Mohinder was cured by being exposed to the pure formula, the original bug-like aspects of his power were removed, and only Enhanced strength remained. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 02/12/2009 10:33 (EST)

Enhanced Strength, Enhanced Agility, Boundless Energy, Spider Walk

I think it's better to divide Mohinder's power onto four kinds of ability, such as : Enhanced strength, Enhanced agility, Boundless energy, and Spider walk. Why it must divided? Because i think that all those powers don't exist only on one power, so it's better to divided it onto four kinds of ability.

  • Dear God, no. We've seen multiple effect abilities before, no need to split this. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:33, 10 February 2009 (EST)
  • Amen, Empath. Splitting it would be a MESS! EValentino 13:28, 12 February 2009 (EST)
  • Enhance agility, I know most people don't like wikipedia but on it has agilty, being balance Mohinder , strength, speed and reflexes not as fast as Daphine through Mohinder show all of these. 50000JH

Name Change: Perfected Humanoid, or something along those lines

It seems to me that Mohinder's ability (not his original flawed mutation, but his ability in its current form) is much like Captain Americas in that he is a perfect specimen of human development and conditioning. As Mohinder, much like the captain was transformed from a frail man into a more perfect human, showing he has exceptional strength and agility. I'll leave this for you to decide. Just my 2 cents

Enhanced physiology.--ERROR 21:22, 1 October 2011 (EDT)

Plot Hole?

At the end of the last volume Mohinder claims that the infection is spreading to his lungs and he is about to die. But in I Am Become Death Peter travels four years into the future to find Mohinder in his lab, alive and well, though mutated to an inhuman state. If Mohinder's infection was really about to kill him, how did he survive until the future seen in I Am Become Death? Wouldn't he have died long ago? Leyviur 2:45, 14 February 2009

Maybe the changes the ability caused on him were similar to infections, but didn't weaken him like an infection. Maybe he was using infection only to describe the ability, as if it was spreading like an infection. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:02, 14 February 2009 (EST)
Plus, the future has been altered. He was still clearly affected by the imperfect formula, but we don't know what he did to try and help himself in between. Maybe he found a way to stop it from spreading to his lungs. I also wouldn't call future Mohinder alive and well.  ;) --Stevehim 09:15, 14 February 2009 (EST)

Also it could be put down to Mohinder using the new formula but it not working in the Exposed Future. Or possibly it had something to do with the eclipse, or Arthur did it. MIDAS 15:49, 12 February 2010 (EST)

Un-catalysed synthetic ability

I don’t understand why this page is still called Mohinder’s ability. For start this isn’t his ability, Enhanced strength is,Verified by Writers and Websites, so should be named as something other than this. Secondly seeing as how the only difference between this and a regular synthetic ability is the serum was un-catalysed, making scales and wall climbing, cocoon making, goo. Now it’s been verified that this happens with all un-catalysed formula because his test subjects developed scales, though we weren’t shown their strength it’s clear that it was the same. So I suggest the name as Un-catalysed synthetic ability as it is correct. and I think it shouldn’t be included in the list of abilities as its flawed and not naturally occurring maybe making a separate section would be adequate. Gray Knight 11:00, 16 February 2009 (EST)

  • Enhanced strength is his current ability, not the same as this, Mohinder's ability was the uncatalyzed ability, enhanced strength is the catalyzed ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:00, 16 February 2009 (EST)

Mohinder's Synthetic Ability

Maybe mohinder never had a certain power and that without the catylyst it just made a mess of his DNA ? Gabriel Bishop 05:13, 21 March 2009 (EDT) Gabriel Bishop

Suggest Picture Change

Change to: Image:Powers Mohinder's sticky goo.jpg. This picture clearly shows the sticky secretion of his own genetic modification formula ability. I think the sticky secretion is a powerful marker of his imperfect ability. Showing the wall crawling aspect of this ability relates too much to the specific wall crawling ability. Tell me what you think. If nobody objects, I'll make the change. --Bender 23:31, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I don't really care one way or another. I think the image you suggested is fine, but I don't see anything wrong with the image that's there right now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:51, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Actually, the current one also shows that, there's a note in the page saying that the wallcrawling was due to the scales and the sticky substance. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:31, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
      • My thought is that the picture doesn't clearly show the sticky secretions being used to help him stick to the walls. What the image looks like resembles the ability wall crawling. In other words, to someone who is just now checking out the ability page, from first glance, the image suggests Mohinder's ability is wall crawling. I'm going to change the image now. --Bender 23:58, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
        • I reverted the changes because the writers have stated the goo is no longer a part of his ability after he injected himself again.--Bob (talk) 18:33, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
          • When did he inject himself again? Are you referring to the time the genetic modification formula washed over him? If you are, his imperfect Mohinder's ability was corrected to become super strength. The sticky secretions were a part of his imperfect synthetic ability, but not his current ability. --Bender 18:57, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

Just a suggestion

But now we know that (1) Mohinder used the uncatalyzed formula (2) David Sullivan used the uncatalyzed formula (3) Elephant man used the uncatalyzed formula ~ and they all got a mutation. Mohinder got bug-ified, David was given super-rabies (according to the new interview) and Elephant man became Elephant man, shouldn't they all have the same ability/mutation. I think this makes sense (and even if it doesn't nothing is known about David's or the Elephant Man's mutation/ability). --IronyUTC CH 16:02, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I agree, also they all seem to receive animal like mutations, David was like a dog or wolf (in my opinion), Elephant man (well that's obvious) and Mohinder (insect like mutation). They should be under one name like uncatalysed ability or something along those lines. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 17:34, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

    • This makes much more sense (and also gives us an end to the mohinder's ability debate). Bumping So that page becomes "known". --IronyUTC CH 08:31, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
      • + 1 Bump --IronyUTC CH 05:35, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
        • I agree. I don't think Mohinder's ability should be classified with the other abilities that were synthetically induced with the catalyzed genetic modification formula. Although his mutated "ability" was lost during the eclipse, his ability/mutation developed using an imperfect formula. I think this page should be moved to a new section titled Mutations or something. ---- - Bender · Talk-
          • I'm not sure I'd support this. As mentioned, Mohinder's ability was lost during the eclipse, and Arthur implied he could remove the ability with his power. I think Mohinder's ability should stay as an ability cause unlike the other two, there were benefic effects. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:27, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
            • While that's true, it has been confirmed that all he has left is Enhanced strength. I made this page to note the mutations, and I think Mohinder's ability should be listed on Enhanced strength now.--Riddler 15:29, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
              • He is listed as having enhanced strength, he's just listed as once having an ability known as Mohinder's ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:53, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
                • He's listed under Mohinder's ability when it's been confirmed he only has Enhanced strength. Why classify it as his own ability when we have confirmation? The other aspects of the ability are from his mutations, and should be listed as such. We KNOW his ability now, we don't need a separate article for it. :)--Riddler 15:57, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
                  • If you look closely in the infobox, you'll see that it also says that the ability has been corrected, and it's also mentioned in the article that after it was corrected, it became regular enhanced strength. The article was kept because the ability had different effects which makes this different from enhanced strength. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:01, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
                    • His mutated ability had different effects. That part of his ability has been corrected. --Riddler 16:03, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
                      • It's still an ability he had for a while, if current abilities were the only things we listed, we'd remove Peter and Sylar from the articles about abilities they lost. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:16, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
                        • I think Mohinder's ability should not be classified with natural abilities or the synthetically produced abilities from the perfect genetic modification formula. No one has or will display the effects of Mohinder's ability naturally because the formula he used was flawed. I believe this article and David's ability should be classified as Mutated abilities or something along those lines. ---- - Bender · Talk-

Mutated enhanced strenghth?

  • Did anyone ever think that mohinder's ability is just a mutant enhanced strenghth? after all the formula washed over him in Dual and corrected his ability, leaving him with just strenghth, so there for what mohinder injected himself with was just a mutant version of enhanced strenghth. --Tsmarg
  • I wasn't trying to name it, just put something put there.

--tsmarg

Maybe mutated, perhaps not an ability

Well, I always thought that the writers gave Mohinder a insect ability as to oppose his archenemy Sylar (who is a cockroach). Also I beilive that Mohinder's ability is actually a mutated ability and that the eclipse took it away because, un-catalysed, it was still a imperfect ability. I also believe that Arthur cannot only absorb abilites because he could absorb the catalyst. Gabriel Bishop 02:09, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I don't think the cockroach has any significance to Sylar. I hope they don't create a whole episode to tell the backstory of cockroaches, like they did with socks. And Arthur said he was absorbing the catalyst with Hiro's ability. -- Tristan0709 talk 02:27, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

New Consensus Check using New Concensus Process

Please sign and give a reason to the name you are opposed to. If no consensus is reached then this will remain Mohinder's ability. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 04/22/2009 12:59 (EST)

  • You are welcome to discuss this ability's name ad nauseum, but since there has previously been no consensus, and there is no new information, holding this new consensus check is against wiki policy and therefore any results from it will be invalid unless you can convince everyone who previously commented to participate. The opinions of those who have spoken before should be included, even if they are no longer following this discussion. But since this format requires people to only voice objections, it is impossible to know whether or not everyone who commented before is participating, making this check pointless.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:41, 22 April 2009 (EDT)


Mohinder's ability

  • Opposed, we have enough details about the ability, to give it a proper descriptive name. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 04/22/2009 12:59 (EST)


Insect mimicry

  • Opposed, Mohinder no longer has the residual insect attributes, only enhanced strength. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 04/22/2009 12:59 (EST)
    • But he did when he had this ability, it incorporates those effects, just cause he doesn't have them anymore it doesn't mean that it was not part of his ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:15, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Yes, it should be listed historically for reference, but it is no longer his present ability. Right now, his present ability is nameless. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 04/22/2009 14:26 (EST)


Enhanced strength (synthetic)

  • Opposed, it wasn't the same as enhanced strength, and adding the status of the ability to it's name shrieks bad idea to me. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:15, 22 April 2009 (EDT)


Enhanced physiology (synthetic)

  • Opposed, not much because of the physiology but for the synthetic in the name, same as my argument against the same thing one ability on top of this. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:15, 22 April 2009 (EDT)


Enhanced physiology


Uncatalyzed Ability

  • opposed even mohinders ability means more than this Tsmarg

Note?

Maybe we should just call it enhanced physiology, then write in notes when this ability was uncatalyzed a side effect was Mohinder produced a sticky substance, as well as scales. Because those were more of a side effect than the actual ability --345tom 08:25, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

Enhanced Senses is Right

The book Heroes Revealed was released in May 2009, and it's official Heroes propaganda. On Mohinder's page, his powers are listed as Enhanced Senses. It states that he has strength far greater than a normal man, and enhanced senses in all categories. It also lists the goo/cocoons/wall-climbing/scales as adverse side-effects. He no longer posesses Enhanced Senses, but it was the ability he did possess.

Unless it's written by an actual writer from the show, it doesn't go in any of the six levels of the power naming policy. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:23, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Actually, it does. It isn't canon, but it'd fit Level 5, I think.

Problem is, enhanced senses doesn't accurately describe the ability. Sure, the book lists him as having superhuman strength, but it doesn't take that into account when naming his ability, which gives him heightened strength, stamina, agility, and speed (Not at Daphne level, but still). Enhanced senses doesn't cover any of that.--ERROR 22:26, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

    • I agree, his senses have little or nothing to do with his ability. --tsmarg

My Theory

My theory, as partially noted on my Mohinder Assignment Tracker, is that Mohinder has enhanced physiology, and that the adverse side effects are just that--adverse side effects--instead of being part of the actual ability, and that having the uncatalyzed formula and the catalyzed formula in him is causing his body to reject the formula(s), and therefore his ability, kinda like Hiro, only he isn't suffering health effects from his ability being rejected--as far as we know--and his enhanced strength is the last to be thrown out, and that that is weakening, as shown when Mohinder was unable to break through that metal bar, and eventually he's going to be normal again, as though he never took the formula--physically, at least. Thoughts?

Look here, too, as it's related somewhat, as it is another one of my theories.

Also, when did he have enhanced instincts?--ERROR 22:19, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

  • an interesting theory but on heroes unmasked Tim Kring described the ability as "a bug ability." it was all part of the same mutant ability; so to call it enhanced physiology would be incorrect. also by injecting himself, suresh changed his DNA so that he became superhuman, unlike Hiro who had his ability removed and when matt parkman jr. re-activated his ability his body wasn't ready for it and rejected it. -- Tsmarg


I think you're on to something. His entire physiology is enhanced. The writers have stated that enhanced strength is all that's left because the slimy secretions were gone, and as a result, his climbing ability was lost. However, it could have been just worded strangely. There's no valid reason that his enhanced senses would be lost, because they are not connected to the slime, which was the primary adverse effect. As well, in the graphic novel "What We Have Wrought", Mohinder is seen performing an incredible leap, one that would likely not be accomplished with enhanced strength alone. Because balance is a sense (however not a primary sense), it would indicate that his physical abilities are still intact, with only the slime, scales, and agression gone. As well, in the preview for Heroes: Redemption, Peter is shown performing a very acrobatic leap, and I have a feeling he replicated Mohinder's ability, but this is just a theory. - Cerebro

  • Mohinder's physiology wasn't enhanced, it was altered and distorted. He gained great strength, but his skin and internal organs got covered with scale and slime, he displayed aversion to light and love for chocolate milk. IMHO is have little to do with physiology.

As for Peter jumping in the trailer, there's no way he could replicate this ability. Mohinder was cured, and now he has only strength. AltesUTC CH


Sorry to break it to you, but I just saw Orientation, and Peter is seen doing large leaps as well as acrobatic leaps. He later mentions to Noah that he acquired this ability from Mohinder. This CLEARLY shows that Mohinder possesses strength as well as speed and agility. He does not merely possess strength. The writers misworded it in their interview. --Cerebro 22:41, 21 September 2009 (EDT)Cerebro

  • Well it makes sense. The formula removed side effects like scales and slime, but left strength, speed and agility intact. AltesUTC CH
    • Peter wasn't superhumanly fast, we can still argue that enhanced strength also strengthens the legs, which is why he could jump and leap like that. If you factor in the speed, it can be argued that he could coordinate those jumps and leaps. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:22, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Hold on a moment. Mohinder said he was faster, but have we ever seen this aspect of his ability? Mohinder never displayed anything like super speed, and neither did Peter. Only agility and durability. AltesUTC CH

Peter explicitly stated that he possessed strength AND agility with the ability he borrowed from Mohinder Suresh. Besides, if you look at it logically, the slime would be gone, but his strength, agility, and heightened senses would not be. There is no evidence of these aspects being lost. The writers claimed that the "goo" was gone after his ability was corrected, which would not logically result in the loss of any talents.--Cerebro 22:24, 22 September 2009 (EDT)Cerebro

Wow. You have a point. Most abilities have various "sub-abilities" in a sense. Tracy can take on a watery form, Santiago can run at superhuman speeds, and Ando can create his "red lightning" energy blast, but all these abilities are under one classification. Enhanced strength may, as it enhances the musculatory system of the body, produce byproducts of enhanced speed and bodily coordination. I think some people need to learn to think outside the box, however this does make sense.--Cerebro 09:05, 26 September 2009 (EDT)Cerebro

I have another theory. It's been suggested in-show that you get the ability that matches your desires and personality and whatnot. When Mohinder first injected himself with the formula, he wanted to be superhuman. So that's what he got. All of his physical characteristics were heavily enhanced. Then later, when he was re-exposed to the formula, he didn't care what he had. He just wanted the whole scales and web thing gone. So he ended up with what he was already manifesting--enhanced strength and agility.--ERROR 21:34, 1 October 2011 (EDT)

Name

I looked at Catlyst's page (I'm not a stalker) and i agree with him that this page should be called Imperfect synthetic ability because that's what it is and as many of you there are that disagree with me, Mohinder's Ability is technically incorrect.--jbennett338 11:05, 12 November 2009 (EST)

  • There were other imperfect synthetic abilities (David's and elephant man's), all different. We can't name them like this. AltesUTC CH

Again

Okay, i know this is flogging a dead horse, and i've done this before on this page, but i believe if we are calling Emma's ability Siren's Song, Ando's Ability supercharging, and others such as Bliss and Horror, can we not call this Heightened senses. Now I know some may say, Mohinder jumped very high, climbed walls etc. BUT- senses are not limited to the five we know of. There is balance, equilibrium, and others. These are all senses, and the name as a whole fits quite well. Mohinder was very strong, his sense of strength was increased. He has an aversion to bright light, his sense of sight was increased. He could climb walls and hang from his ceiling upside down, his sense of balance was increased. The cocoons, 'potato chips' and breathing difficulties, can just be attributed to him using an uncatalysed version of the formula. Mohinder referred to his own ability 'My senses are heightened' And we do not refer to the nosebleeds and brain tumor Hiro received as part of his ability name. So I think it works. I would like to hear what poeople have to say, and also i feel a consensus would be in order, as we've named Shattering, Disintegration and Cloaking. MIDAS 15:44, 12 February 2010 (EST)

  • I would like nothing more than to give this a name...but it's getting others to agree, and the fact it was from an uncatilyzed version of the formula will only complicate things. As for the Hiro bit above, The tumour and nosebleeds were not part of his ability, but a side affect of multiple people in frozen time. That's why we don't include that. --mc_hammark 16:01, 12 February 2010 (EST)
    • Actually, I'm of the opinion that this ability is simply Enhanced strength with the usual animal-like mutation. If anything, I'd say either 1) merge the two, or 2) turn this page into "Mutation" and show Mohinder, David, and Elephant man's mutated physicality or abilities. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 16:16, 12 February 2010 (EST)

Works just fine for me too, anything is better than soandso's ability at this stage. There is nothing worse than this, because it gives the page an unfinished and lazy feel. For half these abilities we have near-canon sources at our disposal. It's easy if we stop being pedantic about speculation, because the truth is, half of these names actually work fine, and the oppositions are just nit-picky. MIDAS 17:25, 12 February 2010 (EST)

  • And yet two months on from this nothing at all has happened... MIDAS 14:59, 20 April 2010 (EDT)
    • Mutation works for me too. The problem is, as Mc hammark said, getting people to agree with it though :/ --Leckie -- Talk 15:06, 20 April 2010 (EDT)

I hate to be the lone dissenter, but I think the ability is fine the way it is. I don't think page looks unfinished just because it doesn't have a proper name; some abilities are simply too unique to be named. This is one of them.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 15:38, 20 April 2010 (EDT)

  • An ability called mutation would be weird. It makes it seem like it has the ability to cause mutations. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:14, 20 April 2010 (EDT)
    • Not to mention that ALL abilities are mutations....--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 20:15, 20 April 2010 (EDT)
      • How about "Mutated abilites" as the page name?--Ratclaws 20:21, 20 April 2010 (EDT)
        • I agree with PJDEP. I think the page and the page's name are fine as they are. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:34, 20 April 2010 (EDT)
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